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by **J. P. Hovercraf** » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

Does anyone know what year was the last year that turbine cars ran in
the Indy 500?

Thanks,

J. P. Hovercraft

by **Target** » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

I have no clue, but I would guess '69.
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by **Speedy Fas** » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

On Sat, 27 May 2000 17:59:48 GMT, "J. P. Hovercraft"

>Does anyone know what year was the last year that turbine cars ran in
>the Indy 500?

68? It ran 67 but I think it came back for 68.

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by **Graeme Nas** » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

1968 I think (?).

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by **The Black Cat =^..^** » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

On Sat, 27 May 2000 17:59:48 GMT, "J. P. Hovercraft"

>Does anyone know what year was the last year that turbine cars ran in
>the Indy 500?

The STP Turbines were 67, with Parnelli Jones and 68 with Art Pollard,
Joe Leonard and Graham Hill. Following that season, they reduced the
inlet area by about 25% which made the cars uncompetitive, which is
exactly what USAC wanted... I believe at least one turbine car was
entered for 69 but it was way off the pace and didn't attempt
qualification.

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00

1968 was the last year.
The turbine was never classified as being illegal but the new rules rules
concerning its inlet area effectively banned it.

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by b » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00

On Sat, 27 May 2000 20:42:50 -0500, The Black Cat =^..^=

>On Sat, 27 May 2000 17:59:48 GMT, "J. P. Hovercraft"

>>Does anyone know what year was the last year that turbine cars ran in
>>the Indy 500?

>The STP Turbines were 67, with Parnelli Jones and 68 with Art Pollard,
>Joe Leonard and Graham Hill. Following that season, they reduced the
>inlet area by about 25% which made the cars uncompetitive, which is
>exactly what USAC wanted... I believe at least one turbine car was
>entered for 69 but it was way off the pace and didn't attempt
>qualification.

and if memory serves the driver/entrant of the '69 attempt, was non
other than Bruce McLaren!

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00

No, there were no turbine-engined cars after the 1968 race.
In 1969 all but three of the engines used were turbocharged (either Ford or
Effenhauser units),
The exceptions were Dan Gurney's Weslake and the two Repco-powered Brabhams.

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> On Sat, 27 May 2000 20:42:50 -0500, The Black Cat =^..^=

> >On Sat, 27 May 2000 17:59:48 GMT, "J. P. Hovercraft"

> >>Does anyone know what year was the last year that turbine cars ran in
> >>the Indy 500?

> >The STP Turbines were 67, with Parnelli Jones and 68 with Art Pollard,
> >Joe Leonard and Graham Hill. Following that season, they reduced the
> >inlet area by about 25% which made the cars uncompetitive, which is
> >exactly what USAC wanted... I believe at least one turbine car was
> >entered for 69 but it was way off the pace and didn't attempt
> >qualification.

> and if memory serves the driver/entrant of the '69 attempt, was non
> other than Bruce McLaren!

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00

"EFFENhauser"???!!!
Freudian slip, perhaps!! :-)

I meant, of course, "Offenhauser".
My apologies to Mr. & Mrs. Offenhauser and al the little Offenhausers.

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Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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> No, there were no turbine-engined cars after the 1968 race.
> In 1969 all but three of the engines used were turbocharged (either Ford
or
> Effenhauser units),
> The exceptions were Dan Gurney's Weslake and the two Repco-powered
Brabhams.

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------

> > On Sat, 27 May 2000 20:42:50 -0500, The Black Cat =^..^=

> > >On Sat, 27 May 2000 17:59:48 GMT, "J. P. Hovercraft"

> > >>Does anyone know what year was the last year that turbine cars ran in
> > >>the Indy 500?

> > >The STP Turbines were 67, with Parnelli Jones and 68 with Art Pollard,
> > >Joe Leonard and Graham Hill. Following that season, they reduced the
> > >inlet area by about 25% which made the cars uncompetitive, which is
> > >exactly what USAC wanted... I believe at least one turbine car was
> > >entered for 69 but it was way off the pace and didn't attempt
> > >qualification.

> > and if memory serves the driver/entrant of the '69 attempt, was non
> > other than Bruce McLaren!

by b » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00

Bruce-
i didn't mean it madethe race, however it WAS there.. IN PRACTICE
ONLY, as was i to see it!
it never got up to a competitive speed and was withdrawn from further
embarrasment.
it was a dark blue & silver.
Bruce B

On Sun, 28 May 2000 20:55:56 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

>No, there were no turbine-engined cars after the 1968 race.
>In 1969 all but three of the engines used were turbocharged (either Ford or
>Effenhauser units),
>The exceptions were Dan Gurney's Weslake and the two Repco-powered Brabhams.

>> and if memory serves the driver/entrant of the '69 attempt, was non
>> other than Bruce McLaren!

by **Stephen Barnet** » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00

I think the turbine car that failed to qualify in '69 was driven by Al
Miller, sponsored by 'Jack Adams Airplanes' and designed by Glenn Bryant. It
could only manage 156.440 m.p.h. in qualifying. I would dispute that the
turbine cars in '68 were uncompetitive following the reduction in the air
inlet. Joe Leonard put his car on Pole with a record lap of 171.559 mph. The
turbines could have won if their luck hadn't as usual run out. 1968 was also
the last time a front engine car qualified for the race for the trivia fans.
Steve

by **Stephen Barnet** » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00

It must have been '68 as Bruce McLaren only went to Indy once as a driver,
and failed to qualify one of the Shelby turbine cars (they look a little
like the STP Paxton cars of '67 and were designed by the same man, Ken
Wallis).

>and if memory serves the driver/entrant of the '69 attempt, was non
>other than Bruce McLaren!

by **The Black Cat =^..^** » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00

>it was a dark blue & silver.

Correct. It was sponsored by Botany 500. Interestingly enough after
doing very poorly in practice, it was never submitted for official
tech inspection, leading many to think that it was illegal in one way
or another...

I don't remember that Bruce McLaren drove it, but that could be faulty
memory on my part.

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Tue, 30 May 2000 04:00:00

Ah-ha! Okay, gotcha, BB. Sorry about that! :-)

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> Bruce-
> i didn't mean it madethe race, however it WAS there.. IN PRACTICE
> ONLY, as was i to see it!
> it never got up to a competitive speed and was withdrawn from further
> embarrasment.
> it was a dark blue & silver.
> Bruce B

> On Sun, 28 May 2000 20:55:56 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >No, there were no turbine-engined cars after the 1968 race.
> >In 1969 all but three of the engines used were turbocharged (either Ford
or
> >Effenhauser units),
> >The exceptions were Dan Gurney's Weslake and the two Repco-powered
Brabhams.

> >> and if memory serves the driver/entrant of the '69 attempt, was non
> >> other than Bruce McLaren!

by **Davi** » Tue, 30 May 2000 04:00:00

I may be off on this but it sounds like Carroll Shelbys Turbine car. Deny
Hulme actually did some testing, but the car was not up to speed
supposedly, and was never entered.

Dave

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