and many of them are carbon copies of each other.
Another reason why I'm a CART fan. The best of F1, and the best of
NASCAR. I enjoyed meeting Michael Andretti and Christian Fittipaldi
last year at Laguna Seca.
Randy
>Don't be too sure. If the McLaren cars continue to lap the field as
>easily as they did in Australia, don't think there won't be some
>serious scrutiny on that '4th pedal'. Formula One doesn't want a
>boring show, either.
Randy,
I was being a bit facetious here. As I stated later, the real drama
only happens at the end of the race when things get serious. I do
watch the big races and admire the drivers for the courage in driving
in those huge packs nose to tail at the superspeedways with very
unstable cars. My favorite I'm ashamed to admit is Bristol. I just
love those demo derbys at relatively safe speeds... You can watch the
whole race there and be guaranteed of some serious " drama" ;)
CART is no longer my favorite. Full course yellows just ruin it for
me. They don't get cranes to remove the cars and the whole flow of
the racing is disrupted. I swear it didn't used to be like that but
it is strictly a gut feel for me. I watch all the races but don't have
the same fervor I used to have. There is nothing to me that matches
the F1 standing starts and the god-awful wail of those high reving
engines. I attended all the races at the 'Glen from the early 70's
until F1 didn't like getting muddy in October and they are still my
favorite racing memories.
Oh well, CART starts in couple of weeks so we will have a new season
and forumla to talk about....
Jeff
But when is the last time you"ve seen a Nascar driver slow to let his
teammate win a race?
F1 cars are basically unrepairable if something fails at the track. ( let
alone have a wreck) i'd rather watch my favorite driver complete the race,
than have him fly off before the checkered flag. and BTW, i am niether a
kid, woman or redneck.
cjp
>Maybe something to do with the gross amount of yellow flags??? "Oh, my
>GOD! A toothpick is on the track!!!!!! FULL COURSE YELLOW!!!!!!
>Another thing, look at NASCAR sponsorship- breakfast cereal, laundry
>detergent,
>toys, chewin' terbaccy. Kinda shows you the demographics, eh? Little
>kids,
>women and rednecks. You can keep it...
>--
>"NASCAR- the professional wrestling of motorsport"
I love f1, but if you think Jeff Gorden couldn't kick some ass in f1 with a
good car your kidding yourself.
>}
>}>Enjoy your provincial sport of Nascar racing.
>}>Americans deserve a sport that they only have to comprehend turning
>}>left 4 times per lap.
>}>Jeff Haas
>}>South Bend, Indiana USA
>}
>}Perhaps you could educate this uncomprehending American about the
>attraction in
>}watching six cars finish a 'gruelling' hour-fortyfive-minute 'race',
>with maybe
>}two of them on the same lap.
>}
>}MW
>I'm an American that understands F1 perfectly.
>First car into turn 1 wins, unless he breaks
>If a pass is attempted, the driver being passed whines
>Requires a 40 man crew for a pit stop
>They do have one advantage: no Jeff Gordon
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Dave Starr
>Professional Shop Rat - 33 years in an Auto Plant
- Matt
Can't you get CBC or TSN in the States anywhere?If not maby just an
american driver in the series would help.We can watch the race 2 diff
ways:TSN live coverage or CBC next night repeat.It sure helps to have
the World Champion from your country.:)
On Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:52:13 GMT, "Robert Haviland"
That's not true and you know it. One of the reasons you have all
kinds of junkers finishing in nascar is the ludicrous points system. I
mean, why win races when finishing 10th will do? F1 pays for winning
races, period. F1 has fewer finishers because you don't get second
chances. Stall on the grid? Sorry. Make a small mistake and go off
track? Sorry. No quarter asked, no quarter given. With that set of
ground rules, cars fall out. In addition the cars are built much
closer to the reliablitliy edge than most Nascar cars. The restrictor
plate engines are probably closer to F1 in their dance at the edge of
fragility.
They still sound like they are in North Carolina to me. Let me put it
this way: I attended the TransSouth 400 race at Darlington 2 years
ago and I was really impressed with all the pissing done by cars
number 3 and 24. This didn't occur on the race track no, it was done
with cute little cars at campsites and on the windows of countless
pickup trucks and cars. Next point.
You make a good point there. F1 is terrible in terms of access in
recent times. I attended races at the Glen in the 70's and early 80's
and you had pretty good access in those days. Nascar is a good sport
for that and so is CART (Champcars). Doesn't take away from
We agree to disagree. Enjoy your racing!
Jeff
Unless, of course, you get called into the pits by accident and your
teammate allows you by. :-)
Randy
F1 - A sport that is rigged. "Hey, how do you pronounce your name? Let me
sign a contract to let me win today, and I'll let you win next week."
Geez. Come on folks, who wants to watch a fixed race??
As far as yellows, Las Vegas only had a few. Besides, F1 would have a
bunch if they ran a 1 1/2 mile track, too. I guess it is one of those
safety issues. Safety is obviously more important to NASCAR than F1. I
don't remember a NASCAR car spinning in the air and hitting a bridge
support, thus killing the sports leading racer.
Let's discuss the technology. You are right. F1's computers really are
advanced. The driver doesn't even have to change gears. Why? Because the
owner is afraid he'll mess up. What's more important - the driver or the
car? The biggest reason NASCAR controls the technology is cost. The less
the cost, the more teams.
Demographics? Don't you mean sponsorship dollars? Valvoline reaped over
$43 million dollars in ad time on TV last year. They didn't pay anywhere
near that. The demos do show that women, kids, and tobacco using men watch
racing. That's why they advertise. Also notice that car space is used by
many charities as well. Doesn't F1 have tobacco and *** sponsors as
well?? I'm pretty sure they do. So what is the difference. Besides, the
sponsor doesn't even matter to F1.
--
Robert Haviland
> > Have you tried it?? I mean the screaming 3 wide heading into a turn at
197
> > MPH, on the final lap?? In NASCAR, a blowout finish is when you have
5
> > car lengths on someone. In F1, you're lucky to have five cars RUNNING
at
> > the end of a race.
> Maybe something to do with the gross amount of yellow flags??? "Oh, my
> GOD! A toothpick is on the track!!!!!! FULL COURSE YELLOW!!!!!!
> Another thing, look at NASCAR sponsorship- breakfast cereal, laundry
> detergent,
> toys, chewin' terbaccy. Kinda shows you the demographics, eh? Little
> kids,
> women and rednecks. You can keep it...
> --
> "NASCAR- the professional wrestling of motorsport"
> >Have you tried it?? I mean the screaming 3 wide heading into a turn at
197
> >MPH, on the final lap?? In NASCAR, a blowout finish is when you have 5
> >car lengths on someone. In F1, you're lucky to have five cars RUNNING
at
> >the end of a race.
> That last bit is an exaggeration and you do know that.
Except for the differences in day races - night races, season of the year.
CART is a good circuit. They need to take over IndyCar, which is a minor
league.
> >Have you tried it?? I mean the screaming 3 wide heading into a turn at
197
> >MPH, on the final lap??
> That's it, the final lap, that's all you need to watch. Period. Why
> sit around all day? Nobody is going to get away and if they do, the
> next race they won't have the means to do it. I cetainily don't
> question the driver's skill or courage it is the nature of the racing
> that means that nothing will happen until the last lap.
I'll give in on the point system. It is bad. But, I did talk about the
finsh of a race, not the season. A close race is always better than a car
slowing down so his teammate can pass him. And yes, I do admit that Davey
probably let his dad win the Daytona 500 one year.
Yep, I wish I had created that sticker too. Kinda like the smiley face.
At least Dale and Jeff don't have a contract with each other.
You're right. Racing of all kinds has a die hard fan base. Personally, I
love unlimited hydroplane racing. 200 mph on water!!
Robert
Apples and oranges. Or perhaps if you insist on comparing, I might
ask you where the gravel traps and runoff areas are between the track
and the outside wall of a high speed oval? Where do you propose
NASCAR add a runoff area on ovals so they can safely crane the cars
away as they do in F1?
Yeah, well I do remember a NASCAR Craftsman truck spinning and
pancaking into a wall, leaving the truck more or less intact and
killing its driver...this was just last season, too.
Yes he does.
You think its CHEAP to run a team in NASCAR?!
Randy
<<If you can whip everybody's ***by creating the best package, then so
be it. You won't have some sanctioning body immediately changing the
rules on you as a reward for your hard work.>>
Unless, of course, it's active suspension, traction control, launch
systems... ;). I used to like F1, too -- and I still watch it (God knows
why -- must be the suspense of hoping SOMETHING different will happen),
but as far as sanctioning bodies go, the FIA/FOCA "partnership" has
their heads as far up their own exhaust vents as anyone in the business.
Bart Brown
Won't happen unless the Indy 500 fails to the point where George
doesn't have any ability to spin things his way.
Randy
He might well be able to do well in F1, but we don't have enough
information to know. I think he'd need some serious testing time,
though.
Randy
