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When I am tuning, I have noticed that the best time on the on screen
(pit-board) and the best time showing on the Pi-Analysis don't match.
The Pi times are typically about 1/4 to 1/2 second shorter on a 19 sec
lap.  Anyone know which is correct and why the difference?

Also, anyone know which paddle (left or right) is upshift on a real indy
or formula car (before I get to used to my arbitrary choice)?

Marc Sibilia

Indy cars (make that Championship cars) use a stick and F1 use buttons on
the back of the steering wheels.  For the stick, I believe you pull back to
upshift and push in to downshift.  I tried to get the CPR team to verify
this and set the default to the correct direction, but this was a very,
very, very low priority.

I bet the F1 buttons are driver configurable in real life, but I could be
wrong.

-Paul

On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:10:43 -0500, Marc & Sharon Sibilia

Dan.

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I 'believe' the right button would be up-shift in an F1 car. On Indy
cars they still have a gear shift although they work more like a
motorcycle's rather than an H pattern (unless they've changed recently,
atleast they did...). Actually, the F1 buttons are electronic and so a
driver could have either as his upshift downshift button rather easily
(unless it's against the rules).

Alan
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Cheers!
John

In F1, and I presume in CART, the wheels are custom made, so it's down to
driver preference e.g. Villeneuve has both up and down on the same side
whereas Schumacher has them on opposite sides.

: >Don't know if you got a reply to this one, but I think on an F1 car,
: >the right paddle is upshift, and left is downshift (this is the way I
: >have always seen it done on arcade games, and kinda makes sense to
: >me).

: Considering that the entire car is designed around the driver, I think
: that which button shifts up and which shifts down will be possible for
: the driver to change. If you force the driver to conform to a system
: that is the opposite to what he used in his previous team, the
: potential for several highly explosive and highly expensive mistakes
: is just too great.

Each team approaches it slightly differently, and although the above WOULD
seem true, I think most teams would engineer a system which the driver
would adapt to.

When semi-automatics first came on the scene, for the longest time it was
generally one paddle on each side of the steering wheel. Pulling towards
opperated the selection, with left downshift and right upshift. The past
few years various teams used a four paddle system, with two identical sets
for ease of use during cornering (think of Benetton's multi indicator
display -- shift lights, single digital display -- there were three
located on the***pit rim; one forward, and one to the left and right for
use during cornering). Of course, when a few teams started playing with
paddle clutches there were quite a number of paddles located behind the
wheel! Most teams with hand clutches have gone to wheel face mounted
buttons for clutches.

This past year, Jacques' system (which I believe was different from HH --
nothing new, Williams has shown its willingness to use two different
systems for each driver) was left paddle clutch (pull), with the right
paddle shifting; pull to upshift, push to downshift.

...and incedentally, the racing sequential shifters used around the world
are push downsift, pull upshift.
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