rec.autos.simulators

by **Sam Seni** » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Scene: Zupan Historical Races, this past weekend, Portland OR. The
owner, from Seattle, was kind enought to help me into one of the last
three existing cars and photo me! His value on the car: 750K. He also
had a Lotus 35, and in his shop, the Ferrari we drive in GPL! My
impressions: (1) tight fit. I am 6' and 180, and I could squeeze in,
but NO elbow room! How those guys could wrestle it around hairpins, I
don't know. Wheel is very small. gearshift, a one inch nubbin. Very
small gate, looked like only 4 gears, with one more (reverse?) gated
out. (2)Tires: huge, fat, wide tires, gummy, must be modern. Fuselage:
needle-like, a torpedo. GPL doesn't capture that. (3) the car looks
like a huge engine bolted to a needle-like rocket. The owner said that
the car was roomy, compared to most racecars. Geez! He also owns GPL,
but has never tried it, too much fun driving the real cars. I asked
him his driving impressions. "Marvellous!" Parker Johnstone was there,
to drive the car, but it was showng low oil pressure, so it didn't
run. Bummer! I wanted to hear it. BUT I got photos of me in the car,
which will go up on the wall when developed! Made my whole month!
Sam Senior

by **Sam Seni** » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Forgot to mention, yes, it's the BT24. Same as in GPL.
Sam

by **Dave** » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Hey Sam,I saw this Brabham the week before at SIR(Seattle
International Raceway) at the NW Historic races.I posted a few pics
here http://photos.yahoo.com/ampville click on racing.Was Pete Lovely
at PIR with his 49B?Wish I could have made it down :(
Any more things to share?
Thanks
DaveK

by **m.seer** » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

(1) tight fit. I am 6' and 180, and I could squeeze in,

Great feeling isn't it? I got to sit in a Williams FW14B some years ago
(Mansells 1992 car). The photo adorns my desktop to this date. Nigel was a
big guy although possibly a little shorter than me. I'm definately less well
endowed than him in the weight department, weighing in at 70 kg compared to
his 85.

Whilst sitting in the car I couldn't help but think what it must have been
like to be running alongside the likes of Senna at 190mph in a cocoon so
tight that I could hardly move my feet inside the footwell. To think that he
won that year whilst nursing broken bones in his ankle heightened my
admiration of the achievement. As for elbow room, the***pit was cramped
but I couldn't really tell how it would have been to steer that thing round
a course as the wheel had been removed. My impressions was, however, Nigel
made the right choice abandoning the Maclaren ride. The guy is far more
broad shouldered than myself and mine were being pinched somewhat.

My last memory of that day ---- All the people around me laughing their
asses off when I tried to extricate myself from the tub. Single seater
drivers must have knees that bend backwards <G>. Needless to say, it took
more than the mandatory 5 seconds that the real drivers need to do it
in.........

MS

by **David Butte** » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

<snip>

You lucky so-and-so! Best I've ever done in that department was a sit
in Johnny Herbert's 1991 (I think) Lotus at the Autosport exhibition
(it was ***y cramped in there!).

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: +19.68)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

by **rik anthra** » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

DAVE!!
GREAT PHOTOS!! THANKS!!

> >Scene: Zupan Historical Races, this past weekend, Portland OR. The
> >owner, from Seattle, was kind enought to help me into one of the last
> >three existing cars and photo me! His value on the car: 750K. He also
> >had a Lotus 35, and in his shop, the Ferrari we drive in GPL! My
> >impressions: (1) tight fit. I am 6' and 180, and I could squeeze in,
> >but NO elbow room! How those guys could wrestle it around hairpins, I
> >don't know. Wheel is very small. gearshift, a one inch nubbin. Very
> >small gate, looked like only 4 gears, with one more (reverse?) gated
> >out. (2)Tires: huge, fat, wide tires, gummy, must be modern. Fuselage:
> >needle-like, a torpedo. GPL doesn't capture that. (3) the car looks
> >like a huge engine bolted to a needle-like rocket. The owner said that
> >the car was roomy, compared to most racecars. Geez! He also owns GPL,
> >but has never tried it, too much fun driving the real cars. I asked
> >him his driving impressions. "Marvellous!" Parker Johnstone was there,
> >to drive the car, but it was showng low oil pressure, so it didn't
> >run. Bummer! I wanted to hear it. BUT I got photos of me in the car,
> >which will go up on the wall when developed! Made my whole month!
> >Sam Senior
> Hey Sam,I saw this Brabham the week before at SIR(Seattle
> International Raceway) at the NW Historic races.I posted a few pics
> here http://photos.yahoo.com/ampville click on racing.Was Pete Lovely
> at PIR with his 49B?Wish I could have made it down :(
> Any more things to share?
> Thanks
> DaveK

by **Sam Seni** » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

,On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:13:16 GMT, Dave K

>>Scene: Zupan Historical Races, this past weekend, Portland OR. The
>>owner, from Seattle, was kind enought to help me into one of the last
>>three existing cars and photo me! His value on the car: 750K. He also
>>had a Lotus 35, and in his shop, the Ferrari we drive in GPL! My
>>impressions: (1) tight fit. I am 6' and 180, and I could squeeze in,
>>but NO elbow room! How those guys could wrestle it around hairpins, I
>>don't know. Wheel is very small. gearshift, a one inch nubbin. Very
>>small gate, looked like only 4 gears, with one more (reverse?) gated
>>out. (2)Tires: huge, fat, wide tires, gummy, must be modern. Fuselage:
>>needle-like, a torpedo. GPL doesn't capture that. (3) the car looks
>>like a huge engine bolted to a needle-like rocket. The owner said that
>>the car was roomy, compared to most racecars. Geez! He also owns GPL,
>>but has never tried it, too much fun driving the real cars. I asked
>>him his driving impressions. "Marvellous!" Parker Johnstone was there,
>>to drive the car, but it was showng low oil pressure, so it didn't
>>run. Bummer! I wanted to hear it. BUT I got photos of me in the car,
>>which will go up on the wall when developed! Made my whole month!
>>Sam Senior
>Hey Sam,I saw this Brabham the week before at SIR(Seattle
>International Raceway) at the NW Historic races.I posted a few pics
>here http://photos.yahoo.com/ampville click on racing.Was Pete Lovely
>at PIR with his 49B?Wish I could have made it down :(
>Any more things to share?
>Thanks
>DaveK

Dave,
If the 49B is a Brab, yes it was there. I managed to get a picture of
myself in that car, too. I thought it was the 24B, but the owner
mentioned that there was a formula one nearby, and while searching for
film, which I got from Dale DeFolette (sp?) the track manager, I found
Zimmer, the BT24 owner. I was armed with the Brab "Best Laps" sheet
from GPL, and showed it to him. I said I had at least 200 hours on
that car. THEN I admitted it was a Sim! But he said no prob on a
"photo op," and personally shoehorned me into it. I also showed the
best laps sheet to Parker Johnstone, and he was killer impressed until
I said it was a Sim. He said driving the real car was a lot different,
because of the responsibility and, of course, the risk. I said the sim
is actually technically harder because you tend to drive all your laps
like qualifying laps, with it all hung out on the very edge, and OFTEN
over it. He didn't seem convinced.
Sam

by **Sam Seni** » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

M.Seery,
Yeah, I don't know how long it would have taken me to get out on my
own. I was admonished not to touch the windscreen as it was VERY
expensive, and it would have made getting out MUCH easier. As it was,
I had the owner on one side and one of his staff on the other,
carefully lifting me out. Getting in is easier as you can put your
hands behind on thestrut(?) tops to lower yourself. But I'm sure in an
emergency situation, using the screen I could exit quite rapidly. Most
racers look to me to be pretty small and wiry compared to me. But that
car is absolutely claustrophobic. I'd hate to have to drive it fast.
You literally can hardly move. It felt like being stuck in a sewer
pipe. I couldn't even find or feel the pedals with shoes on.
I worked eight years (four days per year) for CART as an inspector
(scrutineer) and the Indycars seem a good dear roomier to me. That
BT24, though, is probably the most beautiful race car I ever saw. No
clutter of wings and other garbage.
Sam

by **Sam Seni** » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Brett,
Didn't really look at the mirrors. Will check when the pictures are
done. I took quite a few, from all angles.After I got in, he put the
wheel back on, and I was mostly focused on what it felt like to
"pilot" a real F1 for the first and no doubt last time of my life!
Sam

by **Richard G Cleg** » Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:00:00

: That BT24, though, is probably the most beautiful race car I ever saw. No
: clutter of wings and other garbage.

Hmm... I was looking at a cluster of late 60s and early 70s race-cars
last year at Coy's and beautiful was not a word that sprang to mind with
the Brabhams I saw - particularly the late 60s ones. "Agricultural" was
probably nearer what I was thinking. Stacked up next to an equivalent
Lotus, the Brabham looks like it's been welded together by a bunch of
enthusiastic amateurs. The Lotuses of the time now THEY were beautiful
race cars. (Until they became horrible wedge shaped monstrosities - ick).

--
Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving
Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group
Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York
UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00

The '49B' is a Lotus type-number, not a Brabham, Sam.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00

What's the saying?
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder", I think.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> : That BT24, though, is probably the most beautiful race car I ever saw.
No
> : clutter of wings and other garbage.

> Hmm... I was looking at a cluster of late 60s and early 70s race-cars
> last year at Coy's and beautiful was not a word that sprang to mind with
> the Brabhams I saw - particularly the late 60s ones. "Agricultural" was
> probably nearer what I was thinking. Stacked up next to an equivalent
> Lotus, the Brabham looks like it's been welded together by a bunch of
> enthusiastic amateurs. The Lotuses of the time now THEY were beautiful
> race cars. (Until they became horrible wedge shaped monstrosities - ick).

> --
> Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving
> Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group
> Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York
> UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

by **Target** » Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Yeah, the best I've managed is sitting in Jimmy Vasser's CART car a few years
back. I was amazed at how limited the view was.
Racer X
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