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Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

John Simmon

Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by John Simmon » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:32:25



> > Ya, but it sells for many millions.. lol

> In that case I'm *really* sorry for all the bad things I've said to you
> in the past Don :-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

I'm not, and I'm not through....
Don Wilsh

Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by Don Wilsh » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:53:09




> > > Ya, but it sells for many millions.. lol

> I'm not, and I'm not through....

I hope not john you work for free as my PR man...lol

Don

Don Wilsh

Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by Don Wilsh » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:54:17

Let me send you a pint of military strength degreaser free..

Don

888 578 9600  i ll need an address..

"Tiny Lund" <Luxuryman2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:8jszb.20778$UG2.11714@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> Hey Don I have a question for you. I use a deep fryer for cooking and have
> some stubborn residual grease that clings to the stainless and worst of
all
> the plastic controls. I know Gasoline will break down the grease well on
the
> stainless but I can not get it off the plastic. Any recommendations?

> "Don Wilshe" <dwil...@ivga.com> wrote in message
> news:Yeczb.1833$Oe5.481@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> For Some of you that wonder what i do. Well here is a letter i just got
for

> developing Bio Remediation collodial chemistry for Water and Soils that
are
> toxic.

> This is from the ole dummy don.. lol  Oh yes I own 1st Enviro Safety and

> you can visit us at www.1stenvirosafety.com

> ===================================================

> Dear Mr. Wilshe:

> The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems hereby acknowledges receipt of a

> confidential disclosure dated July 2, 2003, submitted by

> 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated, regarding the proprietary ingredients and
> their

> proportions in the remediation product known as ECCO Commercial All
Purpose

> Cleaner, for petroleum cleanup in groundwater and soil pursuant to Chapter

> 62-770, F.A.C. ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner does not contain

> microorganisms but is rather an organic aqueous solution that emulsifies

> petroleum hydrocarbon contaminants.

> The bureau hereby also acknowledges receipt of supplemental correspondence

> dated September 18, 2003 from 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated, indicating
that

> the surfactant ingredient will be omitted from ECCO Commercial All Purpose

> Cleaner that is marketed in Florida for groundwater remediation purposes.

> Florida regulations do not prohibit the use of a surfactant for the

> remediation of a petroleum-contaminated aquifer, but minimum groundwater

> criteria for the surfactant must first be established for listing in
Chapter

> 62-777, F.A.C., if the surfactant is of toxicological or environmental

> concern. It was the choice of 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated at this time
to

> simply omit the surfactant as an ingredient, rather than have minimum

> groundwater criteria developed for it, since tests showed that ECCO
> Commercial

> All Purpose Cleaner is also effective without the surfactant. If at some
> time

> in the future there is a desire to once again include the surfactant as an

> ingredient, then minimum groundwater criteria will have to be established

> before it is introduced to an aquifer.

> Having reviewed the confidential disclosure, the bureau hereby vouches for
> the

> composition of the product. Without divulging any proprietary aspects of
the

> product, we provide the minimum amount of necessary information -- in as

> general terms as possible -- to potential users of ECCO Commercial All
> Purpose

> Cleaner and reviewers of plans proposing it in order for them to comply
with

> the regulations that apply. This is done below for four (4) categories,
each

> of which is labeled in bold-faced type. By reading the information that
the

> bureau has provided for each category, users and reviewers will know
whether

> there is an obligation to comply with a regulation. Additionally, for each

> category, the bureau has either indicated why a particular ingredient or

> parameter is a concern (or is not a concern) with respect to underground

> injection control regulations. If in any category there is a judgment made
> by

> the bureau, then an explanation or a rationale is given.

> pH. When one (1) volume of liquid ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner

> concentrate is mixed with fifteen (15) volumes of water prior to
injection,

> the resulting pH of the fluid to be injected is approximately 9.72, which
is

> not within the 6.5 to 8.5-range required by the secondary drinking water

> standards of Chapter 62-550, F.A.C. Therefore, rule 62-522.300(2)(c),
> F.A.C.,

> applies. In order to comply with this rule a Department-approved Remedial

> Action Plan must: (a) identify the pH of the fluid to be injected as a

> parameter that does not meet its secondary drinking water standard;

> (b) specify the size and duration of a zone of discharge associated with
pH;

> and (c) propose groundwater monitoring of pH.

> 62-777, F.A.C.-listed chemical species. There are two proprietary chemical

> species present in ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner that are listed in
> the

> current August 5, 1999 issue of Chapter 62-777, F.A.C., for contaminant

> cleanup target levels. The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems hereby
> vouches

> that the injected concentration of neither of these two species will
exceed

> its respective minimum groundwater set forth in that chapter when

> one (1) volume of liquid ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner concentrate
is

> mixed with fifteen (15) volumes of water prior to injection.

> Ammonia Nitrogen and TRPH. Per laboratory analysis of the proprietary
fluid

> to be injected at a concentration of one (1) volume of liquid ECCO
> Commercial

> All Purpose Cleaner with fifteen (15) volumes of water, the concentrations
> of

> total recoverable petroleum hydrocarbons (TRPH) and ammonia nitrogen will

> exceed their respective minimum groundwater criteria of 5,000 and

> 2,800 micrograms per liter (ug/L). 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated must

> therefore petition for a zone of discharge variance to temporarily exceed
> the

> 5,000 ug/L minimum groundwater criterion for TRPH and the 2,800 ug/L
minimum

> groundwater criterion for ammonia nitrogen set forth in Chapter 62-777,
> F.A.C.

> The petition is for a variance from Rule 62-522.300(3), F.A.C., and

> instructions and a petition format can be obtained at web page

> www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/categories/pcp/pages/innovative.htm. The zone of

> discharge variance must be granted before ECCO Commercial All Purpose
> Cleaner

> can be injected for the purpose of in situ aquifer remediation.

> FDA EAFUS-listed ingredients. Several proprietary ingredients or chemical

> species present in ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner are listed in the
> U.S.

> Food and Drug Administration (FDA) food additive inventory database that
is

> often referred to as "Everything Added to Food in the United States"
> (EAFUS).

> The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems, without divulging the proprietary

> identity of these ingredients and chemical species, would like to indicate

> that the magnitude of the concentration of each of these chemical species
in

> the fluid to be injected is not greater than five (5) parts per million
> (ppm).

> Given that these ingredients and chemical species are present in such low

> concentrations, and listed in EAFUS as well, the Bureau of Petroleum
Storage

> Systems judges that they should be of minimal toxicological and
> environmental

> concern. However, should the EAFUS status of these ingredients and
chemical

> species change in the future, or should a valid toxicological or
> environmental

> issue be raised about any of them, then minimum groundwater criteria may
> have

> to be developed and imposed.

> For underground injection control purposes, remediation plans proposing
ECCO

> Commercial All Purpose Cleaner must provide the volume and composition of
> the

> fluid to be injected into an aquifer. Since the composition is
proprietary,

> it will suffice to indicate the overall volume of ECCO Commercial All
> Purpose

> Cleaner solution to be injected (at the 15:1 dilution by volume strength)
> and

> provide a footnote indicating that a one-time confidential disclosure

> regarding the proprietary composition has been submitted to the
Department.

> Reference should be made to the original July 2, 2003 disclosure and also
> the

> supplemental September 18, 2003 correspondence indicating that the
> surfactant

> is omitted from the formulation when it is injected in Florida, and a copy
> of

> this voucher should be included as an appendix in the plan.

> Sincerely,

> Rick Ruscito, P.E. Rebecca S. Lockenbach

> Ecology and Environment, Inc. FDEP Section Leader

> Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems

> Petroleum Cleanup Section 6 Petroleum Cleanup Section 6

> Donald R. Wilshe, CEO
> 1st Enviro Safety, Inc.
> 10200 Betsy Parkway
> St. James City, Florida 33956
> http://www.1stenvirosafety.com
> Email: d...@1stenvirosafety.com
> 888 578 9600
> FAx: 888 485-8765
> USA: 239 283-1222

> --

> Donald R. Wilshe, CEO
> 1st Enviro Safety, Inc.
> 10200 Betsy Parkway
> St. James City, Florida 33956
> http://www.1stenvirosafety.com
> Email: d...@1stenvirosafety.com
> 888 578 9600
> FAx: 888 485-8765
> USA: 239 283-1222

Don Wilsh

Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by Don Wilsh » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:55:49

I mfg most all of what you sell.. They meet the new Governement standards
for
bio based products.  My carpet cleaner excells....

Don

"Tiny Lund" <Luxuryman2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:Bnszb.20781$UG2.3493@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> Hey if anyone is curious this is what I do. http://www.fullerbrushbiz.com/
> Just kidding of course. I don't wanna work, I just wanna bang on the
pedals
> all day. Call the SPAM police!

> "Don Wilshe" <dwil...@ivga.com> wrote in message
> news:Yeczb.1833$Oe5.481@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> For Some of you that wonder what i do. Well here is a letter i just got
for

> developing Bio Remediation collodial chemistry for Water and Soils that
are
> toxic.

> This is from the ole dummy don.. lol  Oh yes I own 1st Enviro Safety and

> you can visit us at www.1stenvirosafety.com

> ===================================================

> Dear Mr. Wilshe:

> The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems hereby acknowledges receipt of a

> confidential disclosure dated July 2, 2003, submitted by

> 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated, regarding the proprietary ingredients and
> their

> proportions in the remediation product known as ECCO Commercial All
Purpose

> Cleaner, for petroleum cleanup in groundwater and soil pursuant to Chapter

> 62-770, F.A.C. ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner does not contain

> microorganisms but is rather an organic aqueous solution that emulsifies

> petroleum hydrocarbon contaminants.

> The bureau hereby also acknowledges receipt of supplemental correspondence

> dated September 18, 2003 from 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated, indicating
that

> the surfactant ingredient will be omitted from ECCO Commercial All Purpose

> Cleaner that is marketed in Florida for groundwater remediation purposes.

> Florida regulations do not prohibit the use of a surfactant for the

> remediation of a petroleum-contaminated aquifer, but minimum groundwater

> criteria for the surfactant must first be established for listing in
Chapter

> 62-777, F.A.C., if the surfactant is of toxicological or environmental

> concern. It was the choice of 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated at this time
to

> simply omit the surfactant as an ingredient, rather than have minimum

> groundwater criteria developed for it, since tests showed that ECCO
> Commercial

> All Purpose Cleaner is also effective without the surfactant. If at some
> time

> in the future there is a desire to once again include the surfactant as an

> ingredient, then minimum groundwater criteria will have to be established

> before it is introduced to an aquifer.

> Having reviewed the confidential disclosure, the bureau hereby vouches for
> the

> composition of the product. Without divulging any proprietary aspects of
the

> product, we provide the minimum amount of necessary information -- in as

> general terms as possible -- to potential users of ECCO Commercial All
> Purpose

> Cleaner and reviewers of plans proposing it in order for them to comply
with

> the regulations that apply. This is done below for four (4) categories,
each

> of which is labeled in bold-faced type. By reading the information that
the

> bureau has provided for each category, users and reviewers will know
whether

> there is an obligation to comply with a regulation. Additionally, for each

> category, the bureau has either indicated why a particular ingredient or

> parameter is a concern (or is not a concern) with respect to underground

> injection control regulations. If in any category there is a judgment made
> by

> the bureau, then an explanation or a rationale is given.

> pH. When one (1) volume of liquid ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner

> concentrate is mixed with fifteen (15) volumes of water prior to
injection,

> the resulting pH of the fluid to be injected is approximately 9.72, which
is

> not within the 6.5 to 8.5-range required by the secondary drinking water

> standards of Chapter 62-550, F.A.C. Therefore, rule 62-522.300(2)(c),
> F.A.C.,

> applies. In order to comply with this rule a Department-approved Remedial

> Action Plan must: (a) identify the pH of the fluid to be injected as a

> parameter that does not meet its secondary drinking water standard;

> (b) specify the size and duration of a zone of discharge associated with
pH;

> and (c) propose groundwater monitoring of pH.

> 62-777, F.A.C.-listed chemical species. There are two proprietary chemical

> species present in ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner that are listed in
> the

> current August 5, 1999 issue of Chapter 62-777, F.A.C., for contaminant

> cleanup target levels. The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems hereby
> vouches

> that the injected concentration of neither of these two species will
exceed

> its respective minimum groundwater set forth in that chapter when

> one (1) volume of liquid ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner concentrate
is

> mixed with fifteen (15) volumes of water prior to injection.

> Ammonia Nitrogen and TRPH. Per laboratory analysis of the proprietary
fluid

> to be injected at a concentration of one (1) volume of liquid ECCO
> Commercial

> All Purpose Cleaner with fifteen (15) volumes of water, the concentrations
> of

> total recoverable petroleum hydrocarbons (TRPH) and ammonia nitrogen will

> exceed their respective minimum groundwater criteria of 5,000 and

> 2,800 micrograms per liter (ug/L). 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated must

> therefore petition for a zone of discharge variance to temporarily exceed
> the

> 5,000 ug/L minimum groundwater criterion for TRPH and the 2,800 ug/L
minimum

> groundwater criterion for ammonia nitrogen set forth in Chapter 62-777,
> F.A.C.

> The petition is for a variance from Rule 62-522.300(3), F.A.C., and

> instructions and a petition format can be obtained at web page

> www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/categories/pcp/pages/innovative.htm. The zone of

> discharge variance must be granted before ECCO Commercial All Purpose
> Cleaner

> can be injected for the purpose of in situ aquifer remediation.

> FDA EAFUS-listed ingredients. Several proprietary ingredients or chemical

> species present in ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner are listed in the
> U.S.

> Food and Drug Administration (FDA) food additive inventory database that
is

> often referred to as "Everything Added to Food in the United States"
> (EAFUS).

> The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems, without divulging the proprietary

> identity of these ingredients and chemical species, would like to indicate

> that the magnitude of the concentration of each of these chemical species
in

> the fluid to be injected is not greater than five (5) parts per million
> (ppm).

> Given that these ingredients and chemical species are present in such low

> concentrations, and listed in EAFUS as well, the Bureau of Petroleum
Storage

> Systems judges that they should be of minimal toxicological and
> environmental

> concern. However, should the EAFUS status of these ingredients and
chemical

> species change in the future, or should a valid toxicological or
> environmental

> issue be raised about any of them, then minimum groundwater criteria may
> have

> to be developed and imposed.

> For underground injection control purposes, remediation plans proposing
ECCO

> Commercial All Purpose Cleaner must provide the volume and composition of
> the

> fluid to be injected into an aquifer. Since the composition is
proprietary,

> it will suffice to indicate the overall volume of ECCO Commercial All
> Purpose

> Cleaner solution to be injected (at the 15:1 dilution by volume strength)
> and

> provide a footnote indicating that a one-time confidential disclosure

> regarding the proprietary composition has been submitted to the
Department.

> Reference should be made to the original July 2, 2003 disclosure and also
> the

> supplemental September 18, 2003 correspondence indicating that the
> surfactant

> is omitted from the formulation when it is injected in Florida, and a copy
> of

> this voucher should be included as an appendix in the plan.

> Sincerely,

> Rick Ruscito, P.E. Rebecca S. Lockenbach

> Ecology and Environment, Inc. FDEP Section Leader

> Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems

> Petroleum Cleanup Section 6 Petroleum Cleanup Section 6

> Donald R. Wilshe, CEO
> 1st Enviro Safety, Inc.
> 10200 Betsy Parkway
> St. James City, Florida 33956
> http://www.1stenvirosafety.com
> Email: d...@1stenvirosafety.com
> 888 578 9600
> FAx: 888 485-8765
> USA: 239 283-1222

> --

> Donald R. Wilshe, CEO
> 1st Enviro Safety, Inc.
> 10200 Betsy Parkway
> St. James City, Florida 33956
> http://www.1stenvirosafety.com
> Email: d...@1stenvirosafety.com
> 888 578 9600
> FAx: 888 485-8765
> USA: 239 283-1222

Tiny Lun

Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by Tiny Lun » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:13:21

 Thanks Don I have yet to find a degreaser with the strength of gas.
"Don Wilshe" <dwil...@ivga.com> wrote in message

news:tQtzb.2846$Oe5.886@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Let me send you a pint of military strength degreaser free..

Don

888 578 9600  i ll need an address..

"Tiny Lund" <Luxuryman2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:8jszb.20778$UG2.11714@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> Hey Don I have a question for you. I use a deep fryer for cooking and have
> some stubborn residual grease that clings to the stainless and worst of
all
> the plastic controls. I know Gasoline will break down the grease well on
the
> stainless but I can not get it off the plastic. Any recommendations?

> "Don Wilshe" <dwil...@ivga.com> wrote in message
> news:Yeczb.1833$Oe5.481@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> For Some of you that wonder what i do. Well here is a letter i just got
for

> developing Bio Remediation collodial chemistry for Water and Soils that
are
> toxic.

> This is from the ole dummy don.. lol  Oh yes I own 1st Enviro Safety and

> you can visit us at www.1stenvirosafety.com

> ===================================================

> Dear Mr. Wilshe:

> The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems hereby acknowledges receipt of a

> confidential disclosure dated July 2, 2003, submitted by

> 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated, regarding the proprietary ingredients and
> their

> proportions in the remediation product known as ECCO Commercial All
Purpose

> Cleaner, for petroleum cleanup in groundwater and soil pursuant to Chapter

> 62-770, F.A.C. ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner does not contain

> microorganisms but is rather an organic aqueous solution that emulsifies

> petroleum hydrocarbon contaminants.

> The bureau hereby also acknowledges receipt of supplemental correspondence

> dated September 18, 2003 from 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated, indicating
that

> the surfactant ingredient will be omitted from ECCO Commercial All Purpose

> Cleaner that is marketed in Florida for groundwater remediation purposes.

> Florida regulations do not prohibit the use of a surfactant for the

> remediation of a petroleum-contaminated aquifer, but minimum groundwater

> criteria for the surfactant must first be established for listing in
Chapter

> 62-777, F.A.C., if the surfactant is of toxicological or environmental

> concern. It was the choice of 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated at this time
to

> simply omit the surfactant as an ingredient, rather than have minimum

> groundwater criteria developed for it, since tests showed that ECCO
> Commercial

> All Purpose Cleaner is also effective without the surfactant. If at some
> time

> in the future there is a desire to once again include the surfactant as an

> ingredient, then minimum groundwater criteria will have to be established

> before it is introduced to an aquifer.

> Having reviewed the confidential disclosure, the bureau hereby vouches for
> the

> composition of the product. Without divulging any proprietary aspects of
the

> product, we provide the minimum amount of necessary information -- in as

> general terms as possible -- to potential users of ECCO Commercial All
> Purpose

> Cleaner and reviewers of plans proposing it in order for them to comply
with

> the regulations that apply. This is done below for four (4) categories,
each

> of which is labeled in bold-faced type. By reading the information that
the

> bureau has provided for each category, users and reviewers will know
whether

> there is an obligation to comply with a regulation. Additionally, for each

> category, the bureau has either indicated why a particular ingredient or

> parameter is a concern (or is not a concern) with respect to underground

> injection control regulations. If in any category there is a judgment made
> by

> the bureau, then an explanation or a rationale is given.

> pH. When one (1) volume of liquid ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner

> concentrate is mixed with fifteen (15) volumes of water prior to
injection,

> the resulting pH of the fluid to be injected is approximately 9.72, which
is

> not within the 6.5 to 8.5-range required by the secondary drinking water

> standards of Chapter 62-550, F.A.C. Therefore, rule 62-522.300(2)(c),
> F.A.C.,

> applies. In order to comply with this rule a Department-approved Remedial

> Action Plan must: (a) identify the pH of the fluid to be injected as a

> parameter that does not meet its secondary drinking water standard;

> (b) specify the size and duration of a zone of discharge associated with
pH;

> and (c) propose groundwater monitoring of pH.

> 62-777, F.A.C.-listed chemical species. There are two proprietary chemical

> species present in ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner that are listed in
> the

> current August 5, 1999 issue of Chapter 62-777, F.A.C., for contaminant

> cleanup target levels. The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems hereby
> vouches

> that the injected concentration of neither of these two species will
exceed

> its respective minimum groundwater set forth in that chapter when

> one (1) volume of liquid ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner concentrate
is

> mixed with fifteen (15) volumes of water prior to injection.

> Ammonia Nitrogen and TRPH. Per laboratory analysis of the proprietary
fluid

> to be injected at a concentration of one (1) volume of liquid ECCO
> Commercial

> All Purpose Cleaner with fifteen (15) volumes of water, the concentrations
> of

> total recoverable petroleum hydrocarbons (TRPH) and ammonia nitrogen will

> exceed their respective minimum groundwater criteria of 5,000 and

> 2,800 micrograms per liter (ug/L). 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated must

> therefore petition for a zone of discharge variance to temporarily exceed
> the

> 5,000 ug/L minimum groundwater criterion for TRPH and the 2,800 ug/L
minimum

> groundwater criterion for ammonia nitrogen set forth in Chapter 62-777,
> F.A.C.

> The petition is for a variance from Rule 62-522.300(3), F.A.C., and

> instructions and a petition format can be obtained at web page

> www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/categories/pcp/pages/innovative.htm. The zone of

> discharge variance must be granted before ECCO Commercial All Purpose
> Cleaner

> can be injected for the purpose of in situ aquifer remediation.

> FDA EAFUS-listed ingredients. Several proprietary ingredients or chemical

> species present in ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner are listed in the
> U.S.

> Food and Drug Administration (FDA) food additive inventory database that
is

> often referred to as "Everything Added to Food in the United States"
> (EAFUS).

> The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems, without divulging the proprietary

> identity of these ingredients and chemical species, would like to indicate

> that the magnitude of the concentration of each of these chemical species
in

> the fluid to be injected is not greater than five (5) parts per million
> (ppm).

> Given that these ingredients and chemical species are present in such low

> concentrations, and listed in EAFUS as well, the Bureau of Petroleum
Storage

> Systems judges that they should be of minimal toxicological and
> environmental

> concern. However, should the EAFUS status of these ingredients and
chemical

> species change in the future, or should a valid toxicological or
> environmental

> issue be raised about any of them, then minimum groundwater criteria may
> have

> to be developed and imposed.

> For underground injection control purposes, remediation plans proposing
ECCO

> Commercial All Purpose Cleaner must provide the volume and composition of
> the

> fluid to be injected into an aquifer. Since the composition is
proprietary,

> it will suffice to indicate the overall volume of ECCO Commercial All
> Purpose

> Cleaner solution to be injected (at the 15:1 dilution by volume strength)
> and

> provide a footnote indicating that a one-time confidential disclosure

> regarding the proprietary composition has been submitted to the
Department.

> Reference should be made to the original July 2, 2003 disclosure and also
> the

> supplemental September 18, 2003 correspondence indicating that the
> surfactant

> is omitted from the formulation when it is injected in Florida, and a copy
> of

> this voucher should be included as an appendix in the plan.

> Sincerely,

> Rick Ruscito, P.E. Rebecca S. Lockenbach

> Ecology and Environment, Inc. FDEP Section Leader

> Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems

> Petroleum Cleanup Section 6 Petroleum Cleanup Section 6

> Donald R. Wilshe, CEO
> 1st Enviro Safety, Inc.
> 10200 Betsy Parkway
> St. James City, Florida 33956
> http://www.1stenvirosafety.com
> Email: d...@1stenvirosafety.com
> 888 578 9600
> FAx: 888 485-8765
> USA: 239 283-1222

> --

> Donald R. Wilshe, CEO
> 1st Enviro Safety, Inc.
> 10200 Betsy Parkway
> St. James City, Florida 33956
> http://www.1stenvirosafety.com
> Email: d...@1stenvirosafety.com
> 888 578 9600
> FAx: 888 485-8765
> USA: 239 283-1222

Eldre

Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by Eldre » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:02:09



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Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by Don Wilsh » Sat, 06 Dec 2003 05:52:10

Cleaners and degreasers are rated with a KB measurement.  Most cleaners
are rated around 100 as measured by the Univ of Mass.  Ours is over
1000...  Keep it away from pee pee.. might disappear.. it was sent today
don

"Tiny Lund" <Luxuryman2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:lDxzb.27424$lF6.6771@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Thanks Don I have yet to find a degreaser with the strength of gas.
> "Don Wilshe" <dwil...@ivga.com> wrote in message
> news:tQtzb.2846$Oe5.886@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Let me send you a pint of military strength degreaser free..

> Don

> 888 578 9600  i ll need an address..

> "Tiny Lund" <Luxuryman2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8jszb.20778$UG2.11714@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > Hey Don I have a question for you. I use a deep fryer for cooking and
have
> > some stubborn residual grease that clings to the stainless and worst of
> all
> > the plastic controls. I know Gasoline will break down the grease well on
> the
> > stainless but I can not get it off the plastic. Any recommendations?

> > "Don Wilshe" <dwil...@ivga.com> wrote in message
> > news:Yeczb.1833$Oe5.481@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > For Some of you that wonder what i do. Well here is a letter i just got
> for

> > developing Bio Remediation collodial chemistry for Water and Soils that
> are
> > toxic.

> > This is from the ole dummy don.. lol  Oh yes I own 1st Enviro Safety and

> > you can visit us at www.1stenvirosafety.com

> > ===================================================

> > Dear Mr. Wilshe:

> > The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems hereby acknowledges receipt of a

> > confidential disclosure dated July 2, 2003, submitted by

> > 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated, regarding the proprietary ingredients and
> > their

> > proportions in the remediation product known as ECCO Commercial All
> Purpose

> > Cleaner, for petroleum cleanup in groundwater and soil pursuant to
Chapter

> > 62-770, F.A.C. ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner does not contain

> > microorganisms but is rather an organic aqueous solution that emulsifies

> > petroleum hydrocarbon contaminants.

> > The bureau hereby also acknowledges receipt of supplemental
correspondence

> > dated September 18, 2003 from 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated, indicating
> that

> > the surfactant ingredient will be omitted from ECCO Commercial All
Purpose

> > Cleaner that is marketed in Florida for groundwater remediation
purposes.

> > Florida regulations do not prohibit the use of a surfactant for the

> > remediation of a petroleum-contaminated aquifer, but minimum groundwater

> > criteria for the surfactant must first be established for listing in
> Chapter

> > 62-777, F.A.C., if the surfactant is of toxicological or environmental

> > concern. It was the choice of 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated at this time
> to

> > simply omit the surfactant as an ingredient, rather than have minimum

> > groundwater criteria developed for it, since tests showed that ECCO
> > Commercial

> > All Purpose Cleaner is also effective without the surfactant. If at some
> > time

> > in the future there is a desire to once again include the surfactant as
an

> > ingredient, then minimum groundwater criteria will have to be
established

> > before it is introduced to an aquifer.

> > Having reviewed the confidential disclosure, the bureau hereby vouches
for
> > the

> > composition of the product. Without divulging any proprietary aspects of
> the

> > product, we provide the minimum amount of necessary information -- in as

> > general terms as possible -- to potential users of ECCO Commercial All
> > Purpose

> > Cleaner and reviewers of plans proposing it in order for them to comply
> with

> > the regulations that apply. This is done below for four (4) categories,
> each

> > of which is labeled in bold-faced type. By reading the information that
> the

> > bureau has provided for each category, users and reviewers will know
> whether

> > there is an obligation to comply with a regulation. Additionally, for
each

> > category, the bureau has either indicated why a particular ingredient or

> > parameter is a concern (or is not a concern) with respect to underground

> > injection control regulations. If in any category there is a judgment
made
> > by

> > the bureau, then an explanation or a rationale is given.

> > pH. When one (1) volume of liquid ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner

> > concentrate is mixed with fifteen (15) volumes of water prior to
> injection,

> > the resulting pH of the fluid to be injected is approximately 9.72,
which
> is

> > not within the 6.5 to 8.5-range required by the secondary drinking water

> > standards of Chapter 62-550, F.A.C. Therefore, rule 62-522.300(2)(c),
> > F.A.C.,

> > applies. In order to comply with this rule a Department-approved
Remedial

> > Action Plan must: (a) identify the pH of the fluid to be injected as a

> > parameter that does not meet its secondary drinking water standard;

> > (b) specify the size and duration of a zone of discharge associated with
> pH;

> > and (c) propose groundwater monitoring of pH.

> > 62-777, F.A.C.-listed chemical species. There are two proprietary
chemical

> > species present in ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner that are listed
in
> > the

> > current August 5, 1999 issue of Chapter 62-777, F.A.C., for contaminant

> > cleanup target levels. The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems hereby
> > vouches

> > that the injected concentration of neither of these two species will
> exceed

> > its respective minimum groundwater set forth in that chapter when

> > one (1) volume of liquid ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner concentrate
> is

> > mixed with fifteen (15) volumes of water prior to injection.

> > Ammonia Nitrogen and TRPH. Per laboratory analysis of the proprietary
> fluid

> > to be injected at a concentration of one (1) volume of liquid ECCO
> > Commercial

> > All Purpose Cleaner with fifteen (15) volumes of water, the
concentrations
> > of

> > total recoverable petroleum hydrocarbons (TRPH) and ammonia nitrogen
will

> > exceed their respective minimum groundwater criteria of 5,000 and

> > 2,800 micrograms per liter (ug/L). 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated must

> > therefore petition for a zone of discharge variance to temporarily
exceed
> > the

> > 5,000 ug/L minimum groundwater criterion for TRPH and the 2,800 ug/L
> minimum

> > groundwater criterion for ammonia nitrogen set forth in Chapter 62-777,
> > F.A.C.

> > The petition is for a variance from Rule 62-522.300(3), F.A.C., and

> > instructions and a petition format can be obtained at web page

> > www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/categories/pcp/pages/innovative.htm. The zone
of

> > discharge variance must be granted before ECCO Commercial All Purpose
> > Cleaner

> > can be injected for the purpose of in situ aquifer remediation.

> > FDA EAFUS-listed ingredients. Several proprietary ingredients or
chemical

> > species present in ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner are listed in the
> > U.S.

> > Food and Drug Administration (FDA) food additive inventory database that
> is

> > often referred to as "Everything Added to Food in the United States"
> > (EAFUS).

> > The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems, without divulging the
proprietary

> > identity of these ingredients and chemical species, would like to
indicate

> > that the magnitude of the concentration of each of these chemical
species
> in

> > the fluid to be injected is not greater than five (5) parts per million
> > (ppm).

> > Given that these ingredients and chemical species are present in such
low

> > concentrations, and listed in EAFUS as well, the Bureau of Petroleum
> Storage

> > Systems judges that they should be of minimal toxicological and
> > environmental

> > concern. However, should the EAFUS status of these ingredients and
> chemical

> > species change in the future, or should a valid toxicological or
> > environmental

> > issue be raised about any of them, then minimum groundwater criteria may
> > have

> > to be developed and imposed.

> > For underground injection control purposes, remediation plans proposing
> ECCO

> > Commercial All Purpose Cleaner must provide the volume and composition
of
> > the

> > fluid to be injected into an aquifer. Since the composition is
> proprietary,

> > it will suffice to indicate the overall volume of ECCO Commercial All
> > Purpose

> > Cleaner solution to be injected (at the 15:1 dilution by volume
strength)
> > and

> > provide a footnote indicating that a one-time confidential disclosure

> > regarding the proprietary composition has been submitted to the
> Department.

> > Reference should be made to the original July 2, 2003 disclosure and
also
> > the

> > supplemental September 18, 2003 correspondence indicating that the
> > surfactant

> > is omitted from the formulation when it is injected in Florida, and a
copy
> > of

> > this voucher should be included as an appendix in the plan.

> > Sincerely,

> > Rick Ruscito, P.E. Rebecca S. Lockenbach

> > Ecology and Environment, Inc. FDEP Section Leader

> > Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems

> > Petroleum Cleanup Section 6 Petroleum Cleanup Section 6

> > Donald R. Wilshe, CEO
> > 1st Enviro Safety, Inc.
> > 10200 Betsy Parkway
> > St. James City, Florida 33956
> > http://www.1stenvirosafety.com
> > Email: d...@1stenvirosafety.com
> > 888 578 9600
> > FAx: 888 485-8765
> > USA: 239 283-1222

> > --

...

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Tiny Lun

Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by Tiny Lun » Sat, 06 Dec 2003 22:31:19

Thanks Don I am looking forward to finding a product that can actually do
what I want without excessive scrubbing and time. At this point I have
considered just throwing the fryer out and buying a new one. Wonder if it
will also remove that old dry black grease on cookware that my wife thinks
the dishwasher will take care of. LOL
"Don Wilshe" <dwil...@ivga.com> wrote in message

news:_7Nzb.3810$Qd6.3120@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Cleaners and degreasers are rated with a KB measurement.  Most cleaners
are rated around 100 as measured by the Univ of Mass.  Ours is over
1000...  Keep it away from pee pee.. might disappear.. it was sent today
don

"Tiny Lund" <Luxuryman2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:lDxzb.27424$lF6.6771@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> Thanks Don I have yet to find a degreaser with the strength of gas.
> "Don Wilshe" <dwil...@ivga.com> wrote in message
> news:tQtzb.2846$Oe5.886@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Let me send you a pint of military strength degreaser free..

> Don

> 888 578 9600  i ll need an address..

> "Tiny Lund" <Luxuryman2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8jszb.20778$UG2.11714@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > Hey Don I have a question for you. I use a deep fryer for cooking and
have
> > some stubborn residual grease that clings to the stainless and worst of
> all
> > the plastic controls. I know Gasoline will break down the grease well on
> the
> > stainless but I can not get it off the plastic. Any recommendations?

> > "Don Wilshe" <dwil...@ivga.com> wrote in message
> > news:Yeczb.1833$Oe5.481@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > For Some of you that wonder what i do. Well here is a letter i just got
> for

> > developing Bio Remediation collodial chemistry for Water and Soils that
> are
> > toxic.

> > This is from the ole dummy don.. lol  Oh yes I own 1st Enviro Safety and

> > you can visit us at www.1stenvirosafety.com

> > ===================================================

> > Dear Mr. Wilshe:

> > The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems hereby acknowledges receipt of a

> > confidential disclosure dated July 2, 2003, submitted by

> > 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated, regarding the proprietary ingredients and
> > their

> > proportions in the remediation product known as ECCO Commercial All
> Purpose

> > Cleaner, for petroleum cleanup in groundwater and soil pursuant to
Chapter

> > 62-770, F.A.C. ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner does not contain

> > microorganisms but is rather an organic aqueous solution that emulsifies

> > petroleum hydrocarbon contaminants.

> > The bureau hereby also acknowledges receipt of supplemental
correspondence

> > dated September 18, 2003 from 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated, indicating
> that

> > the surfactant ingredient will be omitted from ECCO Commercial All
Purpose

> > Cleaner that is marketed in Florida for groundwater remediation
purposes.

> > Florida regulations do not prohibit the use of a surfactant for the

> > remediation of a petroleum-contaminated aquifer, but minimum groundwater

> > criteria for the surfactant must first be established for listing in
> Chapter

> > 62-777, F.A.C., if the surfactant is of toxicological or environmental

> > concern. It was the choice of 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated at this time
> to

> > simply omit the surfactant as an ingredient, rather than have minimum

> > groundwater criteria developed for it, since tests showed that ECCO
> > Commercial

> > All Purpose Cleaner is also effective without the surfactant. If at some
> > time

> > in the future there is a desire to once again include the surfactant as
an

> > ingredient, then minimum groundwater criteria will have to be
established

> > before it is introduced to an aquifer.

> > Having reviewed the confidential disclosure, the bureau hereby vouches
for
> > the

> > composition of the product. Without divulging any proprietary aspects of
> the

> > product, we provide the minimum amount of necessary information -- in as

> > general terms as possible -- to potential users of ECCO Commercial All
> > Purpose

> > Cleaner and reviewers of plans proposing it in order for them to comply
> with

> > the regulations that apply. This is done below for four (4) categories,
> each

> > of which is labeled in bold-faced type. By reading the information that
> the

> > bureau has provided for each category, users and reviewers will know
> whether

> > there is an obligation to comply with a regulation. Additionally, for
each

> > category, the bureau has either indicated why a particular ingredient or

> > parameter is a concern (or is not a concern) with respect to underground

> > injection control regulations. If in any category there is a judgment
made
> > by

> > the bureau, then an explanation or a rationale is given.

> > pH. When one (1) volume of liquid ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner

> > concentrate is mixed with fifteen (15) volumes of water prior to
> injection,

> > the resulting pH of the fluid to be injected is approximately 9.72,
which
> is

> > not within the 6.5 to 8.5-range required by the secondary drinking water

> > standards of Chapter 62-550, F.A.C. Therefore, rule 62-522.300(2)(c),
> > F.A.C.,

> > applies. In order to comply with this rule a Department-approved
Remedial

> > Action Plan must: (a) identify the pH of the fluid to be injected as a

> > parameter that does not meet its secondary drinking water standard;

> > (b) specify the size and duration of a zone of discharge associated with
> pH;

> > and (c) propose groundwater monitoring of pH.

> > 62-777, F.A.C.-listed chemical species. There are two proprietary
chemical

> > species present in ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner that are listed
in
> > the

> > current August 5, 1999 issue of Chapter 62-777, F.A.C., for contaminant

> > cleanup target levels. The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems hereby
> > vouches

> > that the injected concentration of neither of these two species will
> exceed

> > its respective minimum groundwater set forth in that chapter when

> > one (1) volume of liquid ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner concentrate
> is

> > mixed with fifteen (15) volumes of water prior to injection.

> > Ammonia Nitrogen and TRPH. Per laboratory analysis of the proprietary
> fluid

> > to be injected at a concentration of one (1) volume of liquid ECCO
> > Commercial

> > All Purpose Cleaner with fifteen (15) volumes of water, the
concentrations
> > of

> > total recoverable petroleum hydrocarbons (TRPH) and ammonia nitrogen
will

> > exceed their respective minimum groundwater criteria of 5,000 and

> > 2,800 micrograms per liter (ug/L). 1st EnviroSafety Incorporated must

> > therefore petition for a zone of discharge variance to temporarily
exceed
> > the

> > 5,000 ug/L minimum groundwater criterion for TRPH and the 2,800 ug/L
> minimum

> > groundwater criterion for ammonia nitrogen set forth in Chapter 62-777,
> > F.A.C.

> > The petition is for a variance from Rule 62-522.300(3), F.A.C., and

> > instructions and a petition format can be obtained at web page

> > www.dep.state.fl.us/waste/categories/pcp/pages/innovative.htm. The zone
of

> > discharge variance must be granted before ECCO Commercial All Purpose
> > Cleaner

> > can be injected for the purpose of in situ aquifer remediation.

> > FDA EAFUS-listed ingredients. Several proprietary ingredients or
chemical

> > species present in ECCO Commercial All Purpose Cleaner are listed in the
> > U.S.

> > Food and Drug Administration (FDA) food additive inventory database that
> is

> > often referred to as "Everything Added to Food in the United States"
> > (EAFUS).

> > The Bureau of Petroleum Storage Systems, without divulging the
proprietary

> > identity of these ingredients and chemical species, would like to
indicate

> > that the magnitude of the concentration of each of these chemical
species
> in

> > the fluid to be injected is not greater than five (5) parts per million
> > (ppm).

> > Given that these ingredients and chemical species are present in such
low

> > concentrations, and listed in EAFUS as well, the Bureau of Petroleum
> Storage

> > Systems judges that they should be of minimal toxicological and
> > environmental

> > concern. However, should the EAFUS status of these ingredients and
> chemical

> > species change in the future, or should a valid toxicological or
> > environmental

> > issue be raised about any of them, then minimum groundwater criteria may
> > have

> > to be developed and imposed.

> > For underground injection control purposes, remediation plans proposing
> ECCO

> > Commercial All Purpose Cleaner must provide the volume and composition
of
> > the

> > fluid to be injected into an aquifer. Since the composition is
> proprietary,

> > it will suffice to indicate the overall volume of ECCO Commercial All
> > Purpose

> > Cleaner solution to be injected (at the 15:1 dilution by volume
strength)
> > and

> > provide a footnote indicating that a one-time confidential disclosure

> > regarding the proprietary composition has been submitted to the
> Department.

> > Reference should be made to the original July 2, 2003 disclosure and
also
> > the

> > supplemental September 18, 2003 correspondence indicating that the
> > surfactant

> > is omitted from the formulation when it is injected in Florida, and a
copy
> > of

> > this voucher should be included as an appendix in the plan.

> > Sincerely,

> > Rick Ruscito, P.E. Rebecca S. Lockenbach

> > Ecology and Environment, Inc. FDEP Section Leader

...

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Kyle Robert

Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by Kyle Robert » Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:56:14


You might want to invest in a degreaser for your arteries as well.

Kyle

Tiny Lun

Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by Tiny Lun » Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:10:02

Thanks Kyle! I do have a cleanser for my arteries. It is called Glenlivet.
Bye the way are you the Kyle from South Park? Cool!



You might want to invest in a degreaser for your arteries as well.

Kyle

Tim Mise

Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by Tim Mise » Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:45:36

Eltigre,

There are a few things which categorize this as spam.

1. It has nothing to do with rec.autos.simulators
2. It was completely unsolicited.
3. The poster is advertising himself or business, which has nothing to do with the topic.

...and did you read that garbage?  I would rather see a spam like, "Hi, I'm Bambi...come see my pics" then that microbiological misfit posting that ***here again!

-Tim


  Tim, what am I missing. How is this response construed as spam. The definition of Spam as I understand it is:
  Internet spam is one or more unsolicited messages, sent or posted as part of a larger collection of messages, all having substantially identical content.
  Please enlighten me.

  Tks


  > Please don't spam this newsgroup.
  >
  > You have been reported.
  >

  >
  >
  >

Eltigr

Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by Eltigr » Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:27:33

Tim, in a post on this ng his (Don Wilshe's) profession, age and economic status were questioned. He didn't initiate the post(s), he responded to them.
I wasn't agreeing nor disagreeing with the content, just pointing out I didn't think that (according to an accepted definition of spam) his response was considered spam.
If it is (considered spam) so too are the post(s) you and I have exchanged.

eL

  Eltigre,

  There are a few things which categorize this as spam.

  1. It has nothing to do with rec.autos.simulators
  2. It was completely unsolicited.
  3. The poster is advertising himself or business, which has nothing to do with the topic.

  ...and did you read that garbage?  I would rather see a spam like, "Hi, I'm Bambi...come see my pics" then that microbiological misfit posting that ***here again!

  -Tim


    Tim, what am I missing. How is this response construed as spam. The definition of Spam as I understand it is:
    Internet spam is one or more unsolicited messages, sent or posted as part of a larger collection of messages, all having substantially identical content.
    Please enlighten me.

    Tks


    > Please don't spam this newsgroup.
    >
    > You have been reported.
    >

    >
    >
    >

Tim Mise

Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by Tim Mise » Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:13:22

That would have been fine if he kept it in the original topic, but he had to go and start a new topic.  That is the difference.

  Tim, in a post on this ng his (Don Wilshe's) profession, age and economic status were questioned. He didn't initiate the post(s), he responded to them.
  I wasn't agreeing nor disagreeing with the content, just pointing out I didn't think that (according to an accepted definition of spam) his response was considered spam.
  If it is (considered spam) so too are the post(s) you and I have exchanged.

  eL

    Eltigre,

    There are a few things which categorize this as spam.

    1. It has nothing to do with rec.autos.simulators
    2. It was completely unsolicited.
    3. The poster is advertising himself or business, which has nothing to do with the topic.

    ...and did you read that garbage?  I would rather see a spam like, "Hi, I'm Bambi...come see my pics" then that microbiological misfit posting that ***here again!

    -Tim


      Tim, what am I missing. How is this response construed as spam. The definition of Spam as I understand it is:
      Internet spam is one or more unsolicited messages, sent or posted as part of a larger collection of messages, all having substantially identical content.
      Please enlighten me.

      Tks


      > Please don't spam this newsgroup.
      >
      > You have been reported.
      >

      >
      >
      >

Tiny Lun

Don Wilshe, Develops Bio Remediation Products.

by Tiny Lun » Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:44:35

OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

  That would have been fine if he kept it in the original topic, but he had to go and start a new topic.  That is the difference.

    Tim, in a post on this ng his (Don Wilshe's) profession, age and economic status were questioned. He didn't initiate the post(s), he responded to them.
    I wasn't agreeing nor disagreeing with the content, just pointing out I didn't think that (according to an accepted definition of spam) his response was considered spam.
    If it is (considered spam) so too are the post(s) you and I have exchanged.

    eL

      Eltigre,

      There are a few things which categorize this as spam.

      1. It has nothing to do with rec.autos.simulators
      2. It was completely unsolicited.
      3. The poster is advertising himself or business, which has nothing to do with the topic.

      ...and did you read that garbage?  I would rather see a spam like, "Hi, I'm Bambi...come see my pics" then that microbiological misfit posting that ***here again!

      -Tim


        Tim, what am I missing. How is this response construed as spam. The definition of Spam as I understand it is:
        Internet spam is one or more unsolicited messages, sent or posted as part of a larger collection of messages, all having substantially identical content.
        Please enlighten me.

        Tks


        > Please don't spam this newsgroup.
        >
        > You have been reported.
        >

        >
        >
        >


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