rec.autos.simulators

by **zed, not z** » Sun, 29 Jul 2001 00:01:00

On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:08:05 GMT, "Kenneth Verburg"

>Yes, that's true. It's being developed by RazorWorks for the PS2. The West
>brothers have no involvement with the PS2 version and it's already more
>arcadish then you'd want. The PC and PS2 versions can't be compared.
>Different developers, different ideas about game making.

I knew that. Razorworks did AvH and CvH, which are very good games so
maybe the PS2 version won't be too arcadish. But it's a moot point for
me because I only buy PC games.

by **Ruud van Ga** » Sun, 29 Jul 2001 01:01:30

On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:25:33 +0200, Gregor Veble

>Between two different development teams? Are you serious ;)?

Hm, perhaps the teams should first go out for a drink together, and
then start programming. :)
Ah well, that means 2 WSC's to choose from. If it's good enough, I
might buy the DVD player, who knows... ;)

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by **Ruud van Ga** » Sun, 29 Jul 2001 01:02:19

Still, the physics code is highly independent of whatever machine
you're on I think. Ah well, if they want to do it the hard way, let
them. :)

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by **Haqsa** » Sun, 29 Jul 2001 08:53:21

Don't know about that, but I thought I had heard that the first TOCA
game was a pretty good sim. If it's being done by the same people, I
don't see why the emphasis would necessarily change.

> They are making it for the PS2 as well as the PC. Bad sign. That means
> it will probably be much more arcadish than sim. This seems the case
> based on the screenshots as well. WSC this is not...

> Todd Walker

> twalker at jam dot rr dot com
> http://twalker.d2g.com/gpl

> >it looks like we will eventually have at least one good alternative:

> >"Codemasters Announces TOCA Race Driver"

> >see this article:

http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/newsitem.php?newsid=884

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by **Kenneth Verbur** » Sun, 29 Jul 2001 16:19:16

Believe me, if Chris West tells me he doesn't like the PS2 version (like he
did), then it's not that much of a sim and that certainly doesn't agree with
his idea of what the game should be about ;)
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by **Jonny Hodgso** » Sun, 29 Jul 2001 18:00:08

Hmm... my memory of the optimum cornering technique for a slow
hairpin:

Brake too late
Drop down to third, though you're convinced it should be second or
first
Turn in and floor it (in your FWD touring car)
Miraculously thus avoid huge understeer, and make the corner!

Bear in mind I didn't spend much time playing it (on a friend's
machine, in any case).

Jonny

by **Sjoerd de Roes** » Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:21:15

The dreamcast used windows ce in about 5% of its games.

by JM » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 03:20:06

Aye, I remember an article around the time TOCA originally came out. They
did have a reasonably accurate weight balance, but they moved the CoG nearer
the centre of the cars to stop the understeer, because that wouldn't be
*fun*. Why they didn't make it an optional improvement is beyond me,
though.

cheers
John

by **Tom Pabs** » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:30:28

First of all.....

There's far too many foreigners in this newsgroup. I think we can solve
this problem by splitting this newsgroup into two groups.....

One....that can not speak English. Another....that can not write English.

I for one, am not sure which group I should be in?

********************************

Now.....as stupid as that premise is.......its light-years more intelligent
than the premise: "Just in case WSC is stillborn..." My God Hacksaw! You
should have your mouth washed out with soap. Dah yo mama know you talk like
that?

Word up! "Toca Race Driver" is not even remotely a replacement for WSC. I
doubt it could hack it as a replacement for "Starsky and Hutch
Racing"......even! It might possibly replace "Hee Haw".....but that's a big
"maybe."

Foreigners....they are such silly people. Next thing you know....they'll
start slammin' NASCAR!

TP (-^-)

by **Haqsa** » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:55:51

LOL! Foreigners compared to what? I was born and raised in the U.S.A.,
where are you from? Perhaps you need an English lesson? The term
"stillborn" refers to a child who is born dead. It's a perfectly
legitimate English word. With all the rumors going around here about
the fate of WSC, it seemed like an appropriate term to me.

So you have already played the *new* game that Codemasters just
announced? This thread is not about the old one. When I read the
announcement, it looked to me like they were pretty serious about making
a good sim. But if I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. ;o)

by **Tom Pabs** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:59:03

Yes.

TP

by **Haqsa** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 03:16:05

"Yes" to what? Hey, come to think of it, weren't you the guy spreading
all of the rumours about the fate of WSC? Hmm. I think you are
secretly hoping that someone WILL do a Starsky & Hutch game. Is your
closet full of tight pants and polyester shirts?

by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:05:21

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:25:33 +0200, Gregor Veble

> >Between two different development teams? Are you serious ;)?

> Hm, perhaps the teams should first go out for a drink together, and
> then start programming. :)
> Ah well, that means 2 WSC's to choose from. If it's good enough, I
> might buy the DVD player, who knows... ;)

what? a Nuon to play Tempest 3000 on?

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by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:06:26

> > > Don't they use largely the same code base? It seems like a waste of
> > > time to do designs for basically the same thing... Although the
> > > graphics in WSC are done using DX8 and for the PS2 I don't know what.
> > > It still seems to me you'd share source code wherever you can, making
> > > the physics at least very similar (depending though on CPU speed).

> > > Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25
> > If you take into consideration that only the Dead Dreamcast uses an OS
> > similar to windows, then sharing code rarely works. The advantage of the
> > upcomming Xbox will be it's similarity to PC's. You might see more
> tie-ins
> > with regard to PC and Xbox's than the current machines.

> The dreamcast used windows ce in about 5% of its games.

what did it use in the other 95%?

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by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:08:21

> > No. It was a TOTAL re-write for the DC..

> Believe me, if Chris West tells me he doesn't like the PS2 version (like he
> did), then it's not that much of a sim

why not? because he has low standards?

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