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I hosted a Monza race last night where of the 11 cars, 8 were Lotii.  
Before the first lap was over, most of the Lotii had wrecked/spun at
least once.  During the remainder of the race, various Lotii passed me
and eventually spun out again because they passed me by trying to
outbrake into a turn or other such nonsense.

I'm not trying critisize or berate Lotii drivers, but if you guys would
calm down a little and make smarter moves, the car will do the majority
of the work for you and you'll end up on the podium most of the time.

As it was, I finished the race in 2nd, even being a tad slower than the
majority of the Lotii.  The winner was driving a Lotus - again.

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John Simmons schrieb in Nachricht ...

At 17, technically I'm still a kid! But I love my Lotus..... Can't I
drive it, please? Go on!

Cheers!  :-)

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In a field of 17 cars taking the start, we had 13 Lotii, 2 Eagles
a Coventry and a Ferrari.

Actually had a clean start, but the inevitable happened...

By Curva Grande, it was down to 9 Lotii, 2 Eagles and a Ferrari.

By Lesmos 1, it was down to 6 Lotii, no Eagles (taken out by
flying Lotii), and a Ferrari.

By lap 11, it was one Lotus and 1 Ferrari, the rest having
committed "armco-kiri" by impaling themselves on those metal
strips. :)

No kidding. I was running in 2nd (in an Eagle) when I got hit in
the rear by a Lotus who seemed to need to lead the race now.

 By contrast, I hosted a race at Kyalami Sunday, and forgot that
I had no car setup for the Eagle there (having recently changed
my colors from green to blue), and didn't get a decent one by
practice end. Started in 7th place (of 8 cars), and by lap 3, I
was in 4th place, the other 4 having taken themselves out.
Cruised home to a 4th from there with no pressure at all. :)

Yep, but some of those "also ran" cars people are now finding the
setups for...the Lotus *** is getting smaller in a lot of
races. Used to be you couldn't find a driver to get anything
other than a Lotus under 1:30 at Monza. It's a very good driver
who can run 11 lap races at sub - 1:30 times, and I've now seen
Ferraris in the 1:29's for laps on end. Hell, I'm even seeing
Repcos lapping consistent 1:30's, and Coventries in the 1:31's
now. I did a "spec." race (everyone in the same car, with default
setup) in a Murasama at Monza, and could only qualify with a
1:34.xx, but by race end, having adapted to the different feel of
the car, I was lapping at a low 1:32 clip, and there was a lot
more to be found in that car with some serious setup
tweaking...the default gearing is horrible for the Mura's narrow
powerband.

 I think we're soon going to see the day when the whole field
isn't in green cars. :)

 Regards,

Doc
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I was showing my brother how cool GPL was and thought -- hey a
17 car PRO race at Monza -- should be great to show off GPL!

Fortunately, I didn't have time to get a qualifying lap in :)  Most of the
cars were gone on the first turn/lap.  Since I was up to 4th after
the first lap, I retired -- no way to show cool traffic action when
everyone died on the first lap :(

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Jason Monds
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    There is a way to discourage this type of driving style...run Pro races.
If you mess up and trash the car you're out...no shift-r to save you.That,
or find a group like yourself that is more interested in racing, not just
driving fast. ;-)

    Brent Martin
    GMSS Lotus/Grey

  There was a race he other night with an all Lotii field and all of
the drivers were within 2 sec. of each other in qualifying. It was
beautifully. Isn't that what racing is all about?
  I've been taken out in races by all of the different types of cars
at one time or another and I've crashed  all of them myself (probably
in to some of you :). I don't think the type of car has anything to do
with aggressiveness. A good driver is naturally going to choose the
Lotus or the Eagle if he/she wants to win against other good drivers
.What I see ,more often than not, is  drivers trying to overtake too
soon.
   So attn. host-
  Pro damage races are OK with Daisy. I'll see you in the bushes :-)

Pro races are fine, except that with the networking code in the state it's
in, your race can be ruined by warps or clock smashes. Without the shift-R,
you're really vulnerable to the quality of the connection. Because of this,
when I do try a Pro race, I run only a warm-up qual lap. That way I'm in the
back of the pack - away from the spinning Lotii - and I haven't wasted a lot
of effort getting a good time in case the connection turns to crud.

Kind of a pessimistic view of things, I know, but what can you do?

I'm pretty dissapointed that they made the Lotus be the only viable choice
in the game. The Eagle is faster on the straight, but the Lotus is just
impossible to beat. While historically accurate (the Lotus 49 qualified very
high in all races in '67) this sucks for two reasons. First, it reduces the
game almost to "Lotus Legends." It reminds me of the old days of Air Warrior
when the only plane people chose was the Spitfire. The other problem is that
the only really competetive car is out of reach for a lot of players.

One thing that could help reduce the Lotus *** is if it were possible
to control the damage/shift-R capabilities of online races indepedently. The
Lotus (and Eagle) are more prone to engine failure which gets mitigated in
the reduced damage models. I'd like to be able to have a race with Pro
damage on, but with shift-R also available (because of the network
weirdness). I'd also like to see a minimum 5 second penalty for shift-R'ing
in an online race (i.e. the "track isn't clear" for 5 seconds). This will
also cut down on a few of the interesting tactics that go on. In this kind
of arrangement, Ferraris and Coopers and Brabhams stand more of a chance
because they're more reliable and driveable.

As far as people trying to overtake in bad places .... ohhh yeah. Steve
Smith may want to write a advanced racing manual for GPL.

And, while I'm on a minor rant, it's also sad to see the players who have
brought their NASCAR tactics with them to GPL. I'm talking about deliberate
take-out moves. I've seen a few people who even do this during practice to
the driver who's close in qualifying time (i.e. trying to make sure the
driver can't get a faster lap).

    -"Jethro Bodine"

I would even like different penalities for spinning out on your own
(end of race, limping back to pits to repair, or Shift-R puts you back
to the pits, losing a half lap) and crashing with somebody (standard
Shift-R, or from pits) , which might be caused by the other driver or
warping.
The problem is that drivers who damaged thier car on their own might
try to force a collision to get the benefit of a quick repair, though.

Certainly, drivers should be much more careful, as it is a simulation
of a real race, not "mortal combat".Hard penalties for crashing,
especially those football-like tackles, colud help there.

Right.

I 2nd that.

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