rec.autos.simulators

>A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
>inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
>all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.
>---A---

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>> middle and hopefully a happy end.

> Ah, another Disney fan, I see. Unfortunately, Disney is not reality.

> A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the inside,
> and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents all the
> time, and this will make everyone frustrated.

> The faster drivers always claim that the slower should give way, because
> they, due to their superior speed, have a god-given right of way.

> This is untrue in RL racing, and it is untrue in Sim racing. Everyone with
> a car on a track on equal terms has a right to be there, and a faster
> driver becoming stuck behind a slow driver is the faster drivers problem.

> When that is said, the slower driver should never try to block the faster
> driver unless fighting for position. You're allowed to block when you're
> fighting for position, but blocking takes time, and will cause accidents,
> so you'll have to make up your mind if blocking gets you that podium
> finish or not. Most of the time it doesn't, IMO. The best racing results
> when you leave room for the passing driver, so that both drivers can race
> very hard without risking being pushed off track.

> When I approach slower drivers, I just *hate* it when they move over when
> I approach them. I may even hate that more than the slower driver being
> mindless of what happens behind him, because moving over upsets everyones
> rythms, and it's accident prone.

> The correct way of letting by a faster driver at the end of a straight is
> holding your line, all the way to the outside, braking a bit early so that
> you don't run off, and just wait for the faster driver to pass on the
> inside. This is the way it is done in RL, and this is the way it should be
> done in sim racing.

> ---A---

> While I agree with the part about the slower driver no altering his
> driving line I don't agree about the ouside pass. A faster driver will
> plan and execute a safe pass using the information gathered while
> following the driver in front of him. What messes this up is the
> slower driver changeing his/her behavior at the last minute. Inside,
> outside, is of no consequence in sims, just as in RL racing. I
> currently RL race more than I sim race (almost never during the
> summer) so maybe in sims you should act differently?

>>On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:30:05 +0200, Asgeir Nesoen

>>A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
>>inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
>>all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.
>>---A---

>> A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
>> inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
>> all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.

>> The faster drivers always claim that the slower should give way,
>> because they, due to their superior speed, have a god-given right of way.

>> This is untrue in RL racing, and it is untrue in Sim racing. Everyone
>> with a car on a track on equal terms has a right to be there, and a
>> faster driver becoming stuck behind a slow driver is the faster
>> drivers problem.

>> When that is said, the slower driver should never try to block the
>> faster driver unless fighting for position. You're allowed to block
>> when you're fighting for position, but blocking takes time, and will
>> cause accidents, so you'll have to make up your mind if blocking gets
>> you that podium finish or not. Most of the time it doesn't, IMO. The
>> best racing results when you leave room for the passing driver, so
>> that both drivers can race very hard without risking being pushed off
>> track.

>> When I approach slower drivers, I just *hate* it when they move over
>> when I approach them. I may even hate that more than the slower driver
>> being mindless of what happens behind him, because moving over upsets
>> everyones rythms, and it's accident prone.

>> The correct way of letting by a faster driver at the end of a straight
>> is holding your line, all the way to the outside, braking a bit early
>> so that you don't run off, and just wait for the faster driver to pass
>> on the inside. This is the way it is done in RL, and this is the way
>> it should be done in sim racing.

>> ---A---

> This seems like good advice. On the current track of Laguna I don't get
> lapped, I guess I'm just fast enough to stop this. At Lime Rock I will
> put this into practice. On the straight I will hold my line, but brake a
> little earlier so that I can take the whole bend on the outside line
> (the left). I will need to practice this first as I don't know what the
> camber does there at the mo and I wouldn't want to upset the car and
> send it off the track.

> I wish iRacing would publish a newbie guide of race craft with info such
> as this. Otherwise we all develop our own means of dealing with fast
> cars, which as you rightly point out isn't optimal.

> RobP

>> A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
>> inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
>> all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.

>That's ridiculous.  Look here:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3yP7JeAZI

>> A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
>> inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
>> all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.

> That's ridiculous.  Look here:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3yP7JeAZI

> --
> Pat Dotson

>I never said outside passing cannot be done, I just said that passes should
>be performed on the inside, as a general rule.

> In addition the inside/outside pass was discussed here in context of being
> lapped. You should try to pass a backmarker when he tries to get you
> around him on the outside. If there is at all doubts about inside or
> outside pass when passing a backmarker, accidents will occur. All the
> time.

> If a racer consistently tries to pass on the outside, he'll see plenty of
> accidents, that is what I meant.

> Safe outside passing takes place from time to time, but safe inside
> passing takes place *all* the time...

> ---A---

>>> A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
>>> inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
>>> all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.

>> That's ridiculous.  Look here:

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3yP7JeAZI

>> --
>> Pat Dotson

> In GENERAL terms, passing on the inside IS historically safer, and
> generally the more-expected method of passing.  This doesn't mean that
> outside passing doesn't work, but it isn't going to be expected by the
> majority.  Just look at the mess that F1 drivers get themselves into when
> they try it :)

> -Larry

>> A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
>> inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
>> all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.

> That's ridiculous.  Look here:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3yP7JeAZI

> --
> Pat Dotson