rec.autos.simulators

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:37:58

I've been frequenting RAS for over six years and never in my wildest
fantasies would I have thought that the day would arrive when the most
talked-about and anticipated simulation would be that relating to rallying.

Is this what the world of motor-racing sims has sunk to?
Is there such a dearth of quality racing-simulation programs either out or
being developed (forgetting West's Greatest Con Of All Time) that the
denizens of RAS have nothing better to drool over than a ***y *rally*
game?!!!

As Sylvester's little son would say as he hangs his oversized head..."Oh,
the shame!"

Bruce

by **Steve Simpso** » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:23:34

You're not going to get off that easy, Bruce. Please enlighten us. What's
so wrong with rallying?
I would have thought being from Australia (where rally driving is fairly
popular) and also being a fairly historic form of motorsport that you would
enjoy it. Are the Japanese cars not traditional enough for you?

by **Todd Walke** » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:43:13

says...

I think that the reason RBR has gotten so much attention is that its
physics model and level of realism are the likes of which we haven't
seen since GPL. Hopefully when GTR comes out it will be just as good in
the realism area -- I hope it is because rallying isn't my favorite type
of racing but it is definitely a challenge. You have to get used to
concentrating on finesse, steering/throttle balance, turning before you
actually reach the corner, etc. in order to get a good time rather than
all-out speed. It's a very different type of racing and I am enjoying it
very much.

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by **Mike Beaucham** » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:39:07

I love it..
it's a sad day because a good rally game finally came out!!
Why wasn't any of the days BEFORE the release of RBR one of the sad days?

I guess I could get into a whole thing about what makes a certain kind of
racing more important than the other, but that whole arguement is too
obvious.

Mike
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:08:17

Totally tongue-in-cheek, Steve.
Nothing wrong with rallying at all.....it's just that it's the first time
that a rallying program has received so much attention here in RAS.
The reason can only be that there's no other racing sim worth discussing! :)

Bruce.

by **Steve Simpso** » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:36:25

:-X

by **Uwe Sch??rkam** » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:18:04

>> Totally tongue-in-cheek, Steve.
>> Nothing wrong with rallying at all.....it's just that it's the first time
>> that a rallying program has received so much attention here in RAS.
>> The reason can only be that there's no other racing sim worth discussing!
>> :)

Hehe, I thought so, Bruce. Whenever an available (meaning it can be
purchased or downloaded) sim is discussed in length and in depth here
on RAS, for me it's a sure sign of top notch quality, even if some
people (like myself) have problems getting their *** controllers to
work with it at first.

Also, with GTR and LFS on the horizon, I think simracing hasn't been
in such a good shape for a long long time. To quote Timbuk 3: "The
future's so bright, I gotta wear shades!" ;-)

All the best,

uwe

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by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:35:23

> >> Totally tongue-in-cheek, Steve.
> >> Nothing wrong with rallying at all.....it's just that it's the first
time
> >> that a rallying program has received so much attention here in RAS.
> >> The reason can only be that there's no other racing sim worth
discussing!
> >> :)

> Hehe, I thought so, Bruce. Whenever an available (meaning it can be
> purchased or downloaded) sim is discussed in length and in depth here
> on RAS, for me it's a sure sign of top notch quality, even if some
> people (like myself) have problems getting their *** controllers to
> work with it at first.

> Also, with GTR and LFS on the horizon, I think simracing hasn't been
> in such a good shape for a long long time. To quote Timbuk 3: "The
> future's so bright, I gotta wear shades!" ;-)

> All the best,

> uwe

Don't forget rFactor Uwe. It's by ISI, and GTR uses the rFactor game engine
(probably not the complete game engine actually). I think GTR will be
excellent, but the problem with it for me is it's just one series, while
rFactor can be anything. By far, my favorite sim car to drive is the modern
F1 cars. The faster it is, the better. The GTR cars will bore me after
awhile. With rFactor, I'll eventually have the ultimate modern F1 sim, and
many other series which while sloooooow and sloppy (compared to the F1
cars), will give me more variety and seat time than GTR.

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by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:57:37

Forgot to mention that a multiplayer demo is due any time now.
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by **Pete** » Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:04:59

says...

Well Bruce, the group's called rec.autos.simulators and, as I understand
it, RBR fits that description. Haven't got it yet myself, but from all
the discussions here, I surely will very soon. Not sure if my system
will be able to cope though and that's what's delayed me. Have seen it
advertised for the PC at play.com in the UK for just 19.99, which
includes postage, so no other reason not to buy it.

Anyway, don't worry to much. I'm sure there are a few 'proper' sims
just around the corner (pun very much intended :).

> > You're not going to get off that easy, Bruce. Please enlighten us.
> What's
> > so wrong with rallying?

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by **Uwe Sch??rkam** » Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:07:32

> Don't forget rFactor Uwe. It's by ISI, and GTR uses the rFactor game engine
> (probably not the complete game engine actually). I think GTR will be

I've seen it mentioned here a couple of times, but thought of it as
some obscure xbox title. Thanks for the heads up, Dave, I'll check it
out once a demo is available.

Cheers,

uwe

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by **David G Fishe** » Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:48:32

> > Don't forget rFactor Uwe. It's by ISI, and GTR uses the rFactor game
engine
> > (probably not the complete game engine actually). I think GTR will be

> I've seen it mentioned here a couple of times, but thought of it as
> some obscure xbox title. Thanks for the heads up, Dave, I'll check it
> out once a demo is available.

> Cheers,

> uwe

Here's the web site. http://www.rfactor.net/

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by **Steve Simpso** » Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:09:31

Sounds like a fantastic physics/graphics (and dare I say it multiplayer)
engine for modders, but I find it hard to get e***d about fantasy cars.
I'm sure there'll be some good mods but I can't see them stacking up to the
likes of GTR where they have such excellent access to all of the technical
data. That's the problem with simulating F1 too - it's virtually impossible
to get your hands on really good data for the cars.

by **ymenar** » Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:56:21

> I've been frequenting RAS for over six years and never in my wildest
> fantasies would I have thought that the day would arrive when the most
> talked-about and anticipated simulation would be that relating to
> rallying.

Sims appear with time. Developpers release games. Sometimes they are
related to open-wheels, other times to stock-cars, or endurance-based
racing. This time, it's simply Rally Racing. It's natural Bruce, I don't
see any problem here?

Darnit you old fart! ;-D

Anyway, RC2000 had lots of talk back in the days. DGF was always quite
defensive over the accuracy of the physics.

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by **David G Fishe** » Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:07:16

N2003 had access to loads of data from NASCAR, but the performance of the
cars
on track is absolutely not what I see on television. Even if the data is
100% accurate, sims need to be intentionally fudged a bit in order to get
realistic performance.

It makes some guys here feel better to think they are driving a sim with
100% accurate data plugged into the game engine, but I've yet to see a sim
where it then translated to a 100% accurate simulation experience for the
simmer. The track surfaces and weather would also have to be modeled
perfectly. Most importantly, too much real world feedback is missing to just
rely on accurate data to give you a realistic overall driving experience.

They are all approximations. :-)

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