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by **Larr** » Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:46:39

Exremely off-topic...

At 5am Friday morning I was awaken to see the most frightening thing I've
ever witnessed in my life.

My 5yo Male Golden, Dakota, was having a full-blown epileptic seizure. I
won't even try to describe what went on as it's just too damned scary.

The whole thing lasted about 2 minutes. It felt like an hour. I had no
idea what the hell was going on, and no idea what to do. So, I just held on
to him to make sure he didn't hurt himself.

After it was over, he was groggy for about 5 minutes, and was then
completely normal.

With the exception of an annoying, re-occuring right-ear infection, and a
couple of food alergy issues, he's been in perfect health.

To the best of my knowledge, this was his first, though he's alone at home
with the other Golden, Comet, during the day so if it occured then I
wouldn't know about it.

He went to the vet that morning, and other than his typical ear problem, he
was totally fine. They did a full set of *** tests, and the results came
back today perfectly normal.

At this time, there is no explanation as to why it happened. Worse yet, I
was told they usually never do find out why it happens, and can't predict if
it ever will happen again.

Even worse, I'm told this isn't entirely unusual, especially in Goldens,
Shepards, Labs, and other large-breed dogs.

The ONLY comfort I got out of the vet visit is that I was assured he never
felt a thing.

They wrote him a prescription for Valiums Suppositories (which are proving
impossible to get filled) to keep around if it ever happens again.
Apparantly, Valium can stop a seizure in it's tracks.

I'm told that it doesn't get super-serious unless the seizures last more
than 5 minutes. Right...... 5 minutes of seeing that, and _I_ will have to
sit on one of those Valiums!!!

Anyone else ever had to deal with this ?

Larry

by **Kristin and Eric Brewe** » Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:47:48

Hi Larry,
I am actually a compounding pharmacist and make custom made
prescriptions for epileptic dogs all the time, usually potassium
bromide for maintenance therapy. We make valium suppositories
occasionally. They are not available otherwise and must be
compounded. You need to look for a compounding pharmacy, a regular
retail store will not usually have the time or knowledge to make them.
Try www.iacprx.org and click "find a compounding pharmacist" and you
can search by zip code. Good luck.
Eric

>Exremely off-topic...

>At 5am Friday morning I was awaken to see the most frightening thing I've
>ever witnessed in my life.

>My 5yo Male Golden, Dakota, was having a full-blown epileptic seizure. I
>won't even try to describe what went on as it's just too damned scary.

>The whole thing lasted about 2 minutes. It felt like an hour. I had no
>idea what the hell was going on, and no idea what to do. So, I just held on
>to him to make sure he didn't hurt himself.

>After it was over, he was groggy for about 5 minutes, and was then
>completely normal.

>With the exception of an annoying, re-occuring right-ear infection, and a
>couple of food alergy issues, he's been in perfect health.

>To the best of my knowledge, this was his first, though he's alone at home
>with the other Golden, Comet, during the day so if it occured then I
>wouldn't know about it.

>He went to the vet that morning, and other than his typical ear problem, he
>was totally fine. They did a full set of *** tests, and the results came
>back today perfectly normal.

>At this time, there is no explanation as to why it happened. Worse yet, I
>was told they usually never do find out why it happens, and can't predict if
>it ever will happen again.

>Even worse, I'm told this isn't entirely unusual, especially in Goldens,
>Shepards, Labs, and other large-breed dogs.

>The ONLY comfort I got out of the vet visit is that I was assured he never
>felt a thing.

>They wrote him a prescription for Valiums Suppositories (which are proving
>impossible to get filled) to keep around if it ever happens again.
>Apparantly, Valium can stop a seizure in it's tracks.

>I'm told that it doesn't get super-serious unless the seizures last more
>than 5 minutes. Right...... 5 minutes of seeing that, and _I_ will have to
>sit on one of those Valiums!!!

>Anyone else ever had to deal with this ?

>Larry

by **Markk** » Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:18

Hi Larry,

First, sorry about the bad english.

Epileptic seizures are not at all uncommon with dogs. And believe the
vet, just as with humans, they are not known to be dangerous as such.
And as with humans, the risks are that the situation does not correct
itself in few minutes, and that the unconciousness may cause problems.
More often with people than dogs. Dogs don't drive the car that often.

Also, at least with people, it may be, that as many as 20-40% of the
population go through at least one seizure during their lifetime.
Often it's so mild that it goes unnoticed and never happens again. Of
course, if its that big, the risks should be acknowledged.

At least here in Finland, the dogs most often are placed on permanent
(light) medication, so that the risk of new seizures drops
significantly. I don't know the current practises in US, but there
are *** that can be used for that.

Disclaimer: I'm NOT a doctor, a vet or otherwise a professional. I only
know both people and dogs that have had epileptic seizures. I might
be plain wrong.

But the vet definitely had it right, no person or a dog remembers
anything from the time of reduced conciousness, and it definitely
looks a lot worse than it actually is.

And if you've read this far, please, help any person (or a dog) with
an epileptic seizure by making sure the person (or a dog) does not hurt
himself. Even if it doesn't look pretty. But do not use force. You might
cause more damage than any seizure. This is a condition that can affect
anyone.

Br,
Markku

by **Andre Warring** » Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:25:59

>Epileptic seizures are not at all uncommon with dogs. And believe the
>vet, just as with humans, they are not known to be dangerous as such.

A friend of mine was epileptic. Three months ago she got a major
seizure and didn't survive it. She was 26 years old.
Seizures -can- be very dangerous :((

Andre

by **Markk** » Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:25:13

> >Epileptic seizures are not at all uncommon with dogs. And believe the
> >vet, just as with humans, they are not known to be dangerous as such.

> A friend of mine was epileptic. Three months ago she got a major
> seizure and didn't survive it. She was 26 years old.
> Seizures -can- be very dangerous :((

> Andre

I fully agree, they can be, but what I was trying to say was that
seizures,
as far as I know, do not cause damage to the brain, while the seizure
is happening, unless it doesn't correct itself in few minutes. So
there's
no reason to be afraid for changes after the seizure. But the bigger
seizures,
that do not end in few minutes, can very well kill.

This is the biggest reason to start a maintenance medication as soon as
the first seizure has been diagnosed, and not wait for the first major
one.

Also, the unconciousness can cause death while driving, for example.

Br,
Markku

by **Larr** » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:44:41

Wow, thanks!

The big problem seems to be the un-shippability of the prescription. The
damned things melt, which I guess is a good thing considering the
application method :)

-Larry

> Hi Larry,
> I am actually a compounding pharmacist and make custom made
> prescriptions for epileptic dogs all the time, usually potassium
> bromide for maintenance therapy. We make valium suppositories
> occasionally. They are not available otherwise and must be
> compounded. You need to look for a compounding pharmacy, a regular
> retail store will not usually have the time or knowledge to make them.
> Try www.iacprx.org and click "find a compounding pharmacist" and you
> can search by zip code. Good luck.
> Eric

> >Exremely off-topic...

> >At 5am Friday morning I was awaken to see the most frightening thing I've
> >ever witnessed in my life.

> >My 5yo Male Golden, Dakota, was having a full-blown epileptic seizure. I
> >won't even try to describe what went on as it's just too damned scary.

> >The whole thing lasted about 2 minutes. It felt like an hour. I had no
> >idea what the hell was going on, and no idea what to do. So, I just held
on
> >to him to make sure he didn't hurt himself.

> >After it was over, he was groggy for about 5 minutes, and was then
> >completely normal.

> >With the exception of an annoying, re-occuring right-ear infection, and a
> >couple of food alergy issues, he's been in perfect health.

> >To the best of my knowledge, this was his first, though he's alone at
home
> >with the other Golden, Comet, during the day so if it occured then I
> >wouldn't know about it.

> >He went to the vet that morning, and other than his typical ear problem,
he
> >was totally fine. They did a full set of *** tests, and the results
came
> >back today perfectly normal.

> >At this time, there is no explanation as to why it happened. Worse yet,
I
> >was told they usually never do find out why it happens, and can't predict
if
> >it ever will happen again.

> >Even worse, I'm told this isn't entirely unusual, especially in Goldens,
> >Shepards, Labs, and other large-breed dogs.

> >The ONLY comfort I got out of the vet visit is that I was assured he
never
> >felt a thing.

> >They wrote him a prescription for Valiums Suppositories (which are
proving
> >impossible to get filled) to keep around if it ever happens again.
> >Apparantly, Valium can stop a seizure in it's tracks.

> >I'm told that it doesn't get super-serious unless the seizures last more
> >than 5 minutes. Right...... 5 minutes of seeing that, and _I_ will have
to
> >sit on one of those Valiums!!!

> >Anyone else ever had to deal with this ?

> >Larry

by **Larr** » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:49:44

Br,

Thanks for the info :)

So far, no re-occurances that I know of.

Now that I've SEEN one and I know what the heck it is, hopefully it won't be
so bad on _me_ the next time :)

-Larry

by **Kristin and Eric Brewe** » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:58:12

The base I use melts at body temperature. At room temperature, they
do soften and tend to stick together a little, but I would think that
putting an ice pack in with them would be fine. The real problem that
we've run into is lack of stability data. Testing would be cost
prohibitive, so we use a conservative expiration date of 2 months.
Any other questions, I'd be happy to try and help.
Eric

>Wow, thanks!

>The big problem seems to be the un-shippability of the prescription. The
>damned things melt, which I guess is a good thing considering the
>application method :)

>-Larry

>> Hi Larry,
>> I am actually a compounding pharmacist and make custom made
>> prescriptions for epileptic dogs all the time, usually potassium
>> bromide for maintenance therapy. We make valium suppositories
>> occasionally. They are not available otherwise and must be
>> compounded. You need to look for a compounding pharmacy, a regular
>> retail store will not usually have the time or knowledge to make them.
>> Try www.iacprx.org and click "find a compounding pharmacist" and you
>> can search by zip code. Good luck.
>> Eric

>> >Exremely off-topic...

>> >At 5am Friday morning I was awaken to see the most frightening thing I've
>> >ever witnessed in my life.

>> >My 5yo Male Golden, Dakota, was having a full-blown epileptic seizure. I
>> >won't even try to describe what went on as it's just too damned scary.

>> >The whole thing lasted about 2 minutes. It felt like an hour. I had no
>> >idea what the hell was going on, and no idea what to do. So, I just held
>on
>> >to him to make sure he didn't hurt himself.

>> >After it was over, he was groggy for about 5 minutes, and was then
>> >completely normal.

>> >With the exception of an annoying, re-occuring right-ear infection, and a
>> >couple of food alergy issues, he's been in perfect health.

>> >To the best of my knowledge, this was his first, though he's alone at
>home
>> >with the other Golden, Comet, during the day so if it occured then I
>> >wouldn't know about it.

>> >He went to the vet that morning, and other than his typical ear problem,
>he
>> >was totally fine. They did a full set of *** tests, and the results
>came
>> >back today perfectly normal.

>> >At this time, there is no explanation as to why it happened. Worse yet,
>I
>> >was told they usually never do find out why it happens, and can't predict
>if
>> >it ever will happen again.

>> >Even worse, I'm told this isn't entirely unusual, especially in Goldens,
>> >Shepards, Labs, and other large-breed dogs.

>> >The ONLY comfort I got out of the vet visit is that I was assured he
>never
>> >felt a thing.

>> >They wrote him a prescription for Valiums Suppositories (which are
>proving
>> >impossible to get filled) to keep around if it ever happens again.
>> >Apparantly, Valium can stop a seizure in it's tracks.

>> >I'm told that it doesn't get super-serious unless the seizures last more
>> >than 5 minutes. Right...... 5 minutes of seeing that, and _I_ will have
>to
>> >sit on one of those Valiums!!!

>> >Anyone else ever had to deal with this ?

>> >Larry

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