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GTR is realistic ?

Gtr

GTR is realistic ?

by Gtr » Wed, 05 May 2004 00:40:21

Lookink at times not really .. Many people manage a  time around 2'15" at
spa with lister when last year  at spa lister qualify time was around 2'20"
( look time at www.fiagt.com )

So , how is possible this ?

Razo

GTR is realistic ?

by Razo » Wed, 05 May 2004 05:29:00


> Lookink at times not really .. Many people manage a  time around
> 2'15" at spa with lister when last year  at spa lister qualify time
> was around 2'20" ( look time at www.fiagt.com )

> So , how is possible this ?

I see a 1:17.283 for the Lister; that's close. It might just be that people
in the game aren't following the legal line. I cut that sharp chicane quite
a bit. Maybe when racers are actually setting world records, there will be a
validity checker that will keep ppl honest.

Razor

Lars Birkemos

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by Lars Birkemos » Wed, 05 May 2004 06:40:43

Let us assume the driving model is accurate.
The problem is then, that a PC driver would take chances a normal driver
wouldnt survive.
Kill yourself 9 times, and make a 2:15 the 10'th time....

Eldre

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by Eldre » Wed, 05 May 2004 06:58:53

I assume you mean the Bus Stop chicane?  How can you cut it without the curbs
throwing you out of control?  If I touch one at any speed, I'm soon mowing the
grass...

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Rich

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by Rich » Wed, 05 May 2004 07:55:32

well said Lars, took the words right outta my mouth...

On Mon, 3 May 2004 23:40:43 +0200, "Lars Birkemose"


>"Gtr" wrote...

>> Lookink at times not really .. Many people manage a  time around 2'15" at
>> spa with lister when last year  at spa lister qualify time was around
>2'20"
>> ( look time at www.fiagt.com )

>> So , how is possible this ?

>Let us assume the driving model is accurate.
>The problem is then, that a PC driver would take chances a normal driver
>wouldnt survive.
>Kill yourself 9 times, and make a 2:15 the 10'th time....

Razo

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by Razo » Wed, 05 May 2004 08:53:34


>> I see a 1:17.283 for the Lister; that's close. It might just be that
>> people in the game aren't following the legal line. I cut that sharp
>> chicane quite a bit. Maybe when racers are actually setting world
>> records, there will be a validity checker that will keep ppl honest.

> I assume you mean the Bus Stop chicane?  How can you cut it without
> the curbs throwing you out of control?  If I touch one at any speed,
> I'm soon mowing the grass...

It's easy. Need a demo? :)

There are places to cut all around the track.

Eldre

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by Eldre » Wed, 05 May 2004 09:39:42

Like I said, trying to cut the chicane throws me out of control.  Maybe it's
just my system.

Booo...I find myself scared to even get NEAR the curbing.

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Rich

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by Rich » Wed, 05 May 2004 09:50:38

as long as I'm not accelerating while on the curbing I haven't had any
issues. Though I am still using the default setup..


Eldre

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by Eldre » Wed, 05 May 2004 10:21:12

I'm still using the default setup as well.

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Alan L

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by Alan L » Wed, 05 May 2004 10:58:47

I'm guessing you have too much throttle through there.  I like to be just
barely resting on the throttle (neutral if that) through the first
left-right, and I'm not sure I ever have full throttle through there I'm out
and in third.  It also seems like a REALLY bad place to get in too fast.
It's one set of turns I don't even want to think about trail braking into
(an alien might).

Alan

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Wed, 05 May 2004 11:19:40


   Then can we not insist that all sims have a life and death feature.  If
you crash up badly your sim crashes and erases itself from your hardrive,
never to work again.  Yeah...I like that ...

dave henrie

JP

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by JP » Wed, 05 May 2004 12:08:15




> > well said Lars, took the words right outta my mouth...

>    Then can we not insist that all sims have a life and death feature.  If
> you crash up badly your sim crashes and erases itself from your hardrive,
> never to work again.  Yeah...I like that ...

> dave henrie

  hehe
Mike Beaucham

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by Mike Beaucham » Wed, 05 May 2004 12:15:00

Better yet, your wheel has electric contacts on it.. and depending on the
severity of the crash, you get electrocuted a certain amount. If it's a
survivable crash, then you just get stunned. if it's a crash that would
require immediate medical attention to survive, you get shocked just enough
for your heart to stop, then hopefully the rescue crew will restart it for
you.

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> > well said Lars, took the words right outta my mouth...

>    Then can we not insist that all sims have a life and death feature.  If
> you crash up badly your sim crashes and erases itself from your hardrive,
> never to work again.  Yeah...I like that ...

> dave henrie

Jason Moy

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by Jason Moy » Wed, 05 May 2004 13:44:00

On Mon, 3 May 2004 23:40:43 +0200, "Lars Birkemose"


>Let us assume the driving model is accurate.
>The problem is then, that a PC driver would take chances a normal driver
>wouldnt survive.
>Kill yourself 9 times, and make a 2:15 the 10'th time....

I don't buy the argument that sim times are faster because of the lack
of danger/fear.

a.) the people doing 2:09 to 2:12 aren't the people who spin 5 out of
6 laps.  Then again, DeCesaris was never the fastest F1 driver either,
right? (bonus points if you have any idea of what I'm talking about
here)

b.) the best real life drivers push their cars to and beyond the
limits all the time

The universal constant in almost every sim IMHO is that there's not
enough drag or grip, which is probably why high speed tracks always
end up with sim times that make the real life times look ridiculous
(say, Spa or Monza in GPL or Atlanta or Daytona in N2003) and real
life times on low speed tracks with a high emphasis on traction are
impossible to reach in sims (i.e. Bristol or Martinsville or Watkins
Glen in N2003 or Zandvoort in GPL).

Track accuracy of course is another factor...

Jason

Jussi 'Igor' Koukk

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by Jussi 'Igor' Koukk » Wed, 05 May 2004 15:39:22



The GTR demo is inaccurate. But IMHO it's still the most accurate sim to
date. And as the demo says, it's still work in progress...


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