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GPLrank recovery ?

René van Lobbereg

GPLrank recovery ?

by RenĂ© van Lobbereg » Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:07:27


> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:52:02 GMT, "Laurence Wilmer"

> >Your achievements with a joypad are quite phenomenal! I have only
> >achieved 9:30 Ring and 1:35 Monaco - with an elderly Thrustmaster T2

> not as phenomenal as the guy doing 1.09 at watkins glen with the
> keyboard :)

> my ring time is currently 9:49 with about 4 or 5 major***ups in
> between.  i figure 9:10 or 20 is achievable as i learn more about it.
> >no split axis, but at least it's a wheel.
> as long as you can be smooth, i guess it helps.  are you sure it isn't
> split axis?  isn't there a little back to back converter that you can
> remove to make it 3 axis?  i borrowed one once and I seem to recall
> that little thing that you plugged in between the pedals and the main
> unit to change the brake axis.  that was a looooong way back though,
> so my memory may be faulty.

I also still have a T2, which is to get a full pot replacement again. And
this time it's no longer $2 pots, but a $12 conductive plastic 360 degrees
pot for the wheel, and $8 c.p. pots for throttle and brake.
The T2 is hardwired as combined axis. I have rewired my pedals to be
switchable between split and combined axis (as some games only support that).
Using or not using the converter made it possible to have the throttle/brake
axis on either Joy 1 (JoyA Vert, in GP1/2/3 terms) or Joy 2 (JoyB Horz) as
games....
Erm... no wait I remember now. The first series of T2's had the wheel at
Joy 0 (A Horz), and the throttle/brake on Joy 2 (B Horz). But when used with
Windows, selecting a 2 axis joystick/wheel required the throttle/brake axis
to be on Joy 1 (A Vert). This is what the converter was for. Later T2 models
had the throttle/brake already wired to Joy 1, and didn't need (and didn't
get shipped with) the converter. Btw, mine came with the converter <G>

With this old and rusty T2 with cheap pots, my Ring pb is 8:04.82 . Mind though,
that the Ring is my favorite track, and I actually started GPL-ing on it in an
F1 car :):):)

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Dave Henri

GPLrank recovery ?

by Dave Henri » Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:23:46

  Depends if it's the original or the Enhanced version that was required by
the mega-
corparations in return for releasing Willow.  The backroom negotiations
probably
resulted in the stock market boom that just recently(December) peaked.
:)
dave h




> >'Normal' people lift in both spots.  Aliens never even NOTICE those
areas...<g>

> >Eldred

> aliens & conspiracies.  am i in the right ng?

> regards,
> ian
> (no gpl tonight. watching empire strikes back for the ump***th time,
> is that an acceptable excuse?)

Eldre

GPLrank recovery ?

by Eldre » Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:55:23



>My braking point there is the tree at the right, just before the left kin=
>k.
>I arrive there in either 4th or 5th, depending on my exit speed out of th=
>e turn
>before and on the fuel load.
>I shift back to 3rd as soon as possible (without over revving ofcourse). =
>Usually
>I am in 3rd just before the left kink starts. Throughout the left kink, I=
> keep it
>in 3rd, until just before the hairpin.
>While braking in the left kink, it is a matter of keeping the car balance=
>d. I do
>this by modulating the throttle while braking, to give the rears more or =
>less grip
>as needed.
>Obviously, the throttle modulation is kinda hard to do if you don't have =
>split axis.
>Although doing the same thing with combined axis has partially the same t=
>ype of
>effect, as modulating the throttle pedal causes modulation of the braking=
> force.

Tree on the right?  I've never noticed that.  Hmm...methinks it got lost with
the low graphics settings on my system...

Eldred
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Ian

GPLrank recovery ?

by Ian » Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:35:48



watching star wars 2 nights ago, i was reminded how good the
StarWarsTitanic spoof avi really was.  When i saw the scene that was
parodied, i was laughing hysterically.  if you've seen the clip, you
know what i mean :)

funnily enough, we are in the middle of a mini-starwars - rerun thingy
with return of the jedi on tonight and episode 1 tomorrow.  nice bit
of diversion from GPL.

The enhancements to the original were quite more in your face than for
empire strikes back.  I seem to remember the list of changes being
longest for the first movie.  Pity they couldn't improve the quality
of the acting though.  Although i love the movie, the acting is really
very B movie quality.  Adds to the charm, i suppose. *that's all my
opinion, folks*

but to bring it back to the ng, the racing aspects of Jedi with the
hoverbikes was for me so much better than the flash and dash of the
Pod racing scene in episode 1.  i actually got a little bored with the
later comparing it mentally with the chariot races in spartacus.

whew.  not wanting to start any further discussion along these lines,
so let me say,

regards all,
ian

Andre Warrin

GPLrank recovery ?

by Andre Warrin » Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:44:18


>watching star wars 2 nights ago, i was reminded how good the
>StarWarsTitanic spoof avi really was.  When i saw the scene that was
>parodied, i was laughing hysterically.  if you've seen the clip, you
>know what i mean :)

Got an url for me please?

Andre

istof

GPLrank recovery ?

by istof » Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:29:28




>>watching star wars 2 nights ago, i was reminded how good the
>>StarWarsTitanic spoof avi really was.  When i saw the scene that was
>>parodied, i was laughing hysterically.  if you've seen the clip, you
>>know what i mean :)

>Got an url for me please?

>Andre

let me know if this works for you.  i'm at work and can't check it for
you

http://www.extranettv.com/shows/nfv/one.html

http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~wang22/

regards,
ian

Andre Warrin

GPLrank recovery ?

by Andre Warrin » Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:08:05


>>Got an url for me please?

>>Andre
>let me know if this works for you.  i'm at work and can't check it for
>you

>http://www.extranettv.com/shows/nfv/one.html

>http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~wang22/

>regards,
>ian

It works, thanks, what a classic movie, extremely funny :))

Andre

Ian

GPLrank recovery ?

by Ian » Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:12:28



>>http://www.extranettv.com/shows/nfv/one.html

>>http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~wang22/

>>regards,
>>ian

>It works, thanks, what a classic movie, extremely funny :))

>Andre

ya, but we're very far offtopic here :)  after watching the movie, i
couldn't believe if the boardroom scene was all from original footage
or was some other actor spliced in.  when i watched the original movie
last week, it just confirmed that only the dialog was changed.
excellent stuff.

cheers

David Ewin

GPLrank recovery ?

by David Ewin » Wed, 25 Apr 2001 04:07:33




> but to bring it back to the ng, the racing aspects of Jedi with the
> hoverbikes was for me so much better than the flash and dash of the
> Pod racing scene in episode 1.  i actually got a little bored with the
> later comparing it mentally with the chariot races in spartacus.

I believe you mean Ben Hur, not Spartacus.

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Ian

GPLrank recovery ?

by Ian » Wed, 25 Apr 2001 05:41:20


Spot on.  I've made that mistake more than once.  oops.

Regards,
Ian

Andre Warrin

GPLrank recovery ?

by Andre Warrin » Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:33:47


>ya, but we're very far offtopic here :)  after watching the movie, i
>couldn't believe if the boardroom scene was all from original footage
>or was some other actor spliced in.  when i watched the original movie
>last week, it just confirmed that only the dialog was changed.
>excellent stuff.

>cheers

Also check out that exploding whale movie on the second site
(http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~wang22/).
Funny :)

Andre

Jim

GPLrank recovery ?

by Jim » Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:38:40

Here's some good advice for Nouveau Monde, the hairpin at Rouen. I copy and
pasted this from http://www.legendscentral.com/LOR/trackguides/index.html -
where you can find pictures to support the text. LOR also have trackguides,
setups and replays for all the GPL tracks. Hope this helps!

Jim

PS. My Rouen P.B. was 2:02.xx until I found this page, but I managed to get
down to 1:59.07 by using the trackguide and LOR setups. Try them!

=====================================

THE NOUVEAU MONDE HAIRPIN

Entrance speed: approximately 160 mph [258 kph]
Speed through the left hander: approximately 100 mph [161 kph]
Speed through the hairpin: approximately 25 mph
Arrival time at the corner: 23.75 seconds
Time to negotiate the corner: 9.76 seconds
Exit time of the corner: 33.51 seconds

The Nouveau Monde hairpin really starts with the left hander that preceeds
it. These two turns are so close that a bad entrance or exit from the left
hander will see you loosing control in the hairpin. Luckily, one of the best
safety features of the 1967 year, the cement filled tyre barrier, is there
to totally destroy your car if you do overdo it.

The entrance to the left hander is quite easy. You just need to make sure
that you don't wait too long to brake as you cannot use full brakes in this
sequuence of turns as you will be turning throughout most of the braking
zone. With the car in fourth gear, against the right side of the track, wait
for the racing groove to darken. This happens just past the lone tree on the
right. Brake hard for a moment and shift down two gears. Then ease off the
brakes slightly as you add a little throttle. This is very important to
prevent the rear end from stepping out and putting you into a slide.

You should start to turn in at about the same time as you begin to reapply
the throttle - i.e. a beat or so after getting into second gear. Turn in
gently and aim for a late apex. This will line you up on the left side of
the track in a good position for the hairpin. Another lone tree on the right
side of the track acts as a good marker for when you should be finished
slowing down. Once you arrive at this tree, you should be off the brakes,
and trying to keep a constant speed with the throttle.

With the car against the curb you will pass an evergree tree followed by
another small tree on the right. This is a great reference point to begin
your braking for the hairpin. Be very gently on the brakes here, as you are
still turning. If you lock up a rear wheel, you will spin. Also don't be in
a hurry to shift into first. if you do it at too high a speed, the sudden
change in torque will upset the rear wheel, causing you to spin.

By the time you are about half way down the Firestone sign on the left bank
of the track is a good place to shift down to first. You should still be
slowing down, and the challenge now is not to lock the fronts up. If you do
you won't be able to turn in and you'll go straight on into those
cement-filled-tyres. So keep braking gently.

You should turn in when you are right on top of the turn. Apex right in the
middle of the turn and keep braking, but to a slightly lesser extent than
you have been, right up to the apex. Then immediately start to get back on
the throttle. Gently at first or you'll spin the car. Then slowly unwind the
wheel as you increase your acceleration. Once in a straight line get back to
full throttle as quickly as you can, and shift up to second when you hit red
line.

Eldre

GPLrank recovery ?

by Eldre » Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:18:04



>The entrance to the left hander is quite easy. You just need to make sure
>that you don't wait too long to brake as you cannot use full brakes in this
>sequuence of turns as you will be turning throughout most of the braking
>zone. With the car in fourth gear, against the right side of the track, wait
>for the racing groove to darken. This happens just past the lone tree on the
>right. Brake hard for a moment and shift down two gears. Then ease off the
>brakes slightly as you add a little throttle. This is very important to
>prevent the rear end from stepping out and putting you into a slide.

>You should start to turn in at about the same time as you begin to reapply
>the throttle - i.e. a beat or so after getting into second gear. Turn in
>gently and aim for a late apex. This will line you up on the left side of
>the track in a good position for the hairpin. Another lone tree on the right
>side of the track acts as a good marker for when you should be finished
>slowing down. Once you arrive at this tree, you should be off the brakes,
>and trying to keep a constant speed with the throttle.

>With the car against the curb you will pass an evergree tree followed by
>another small tree on the right. This is a great reference point to begin
>your braking for the hairpin. Be very gently on the brakes here, as you are
>still turning. If you lock up a rear wheel, you will spin. Also don't be in
>a hurry to shift into first. if you do it at too high a speed, the sudden
>change in torque will upset the rear wheel, causing you to spin.

AGAIN with the trees as brake markers...<g>
Man, I've *really* been losing because of having to run in lower detail.  I've
never noticed EITHER of those trees... :(

Eldred
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with experience...
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