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ICR2 Longbeach

Johnny Ah

ICR2 Longbeach

by Johnny Ah » Wed, 17 Apr 1996 04:00:00

I am one of those who use a joystick to play ICR2, as I didn't like the T2
when I bought it and played with it. I have currently worked down to a 51.987
on Longbeach and was wondering what kind of times everyone else was doing on
Longbeach with joysticks. I hear that some with steering wheels have gotten
down to a high 50's? Hmm, I think 51's are my limit, but I would be curious
to hear what you all are doing.

Johnny Ahn

Jo

ICR2 Longbeach

by Jo » Thu, 18 Apr 1996 04:00:00


>I am one of those who use a joystick to play ICR2, as I didn't like the T2
>when I bought it and played with it. I have currently worked down to a 51.987
>on Longbeach and was wondering what kind of times everyone else was doing on
>Longbeach with joysticks. I hear that some with steering wheels have gotten
>down to a high 50's? Hmm, I think 51's are my limit, but I would be curious
>to hear what you all are doing.

51.987 is fantastic no matter what you are using (I'm at 52.5xx)...
but I must say, I am dissapointed to hear someone give up on the T2,
since I just bought one two days ago. I must admit that I have found
that my times are a full second slower now than before I got it. I
wonder what it is about the T2- it is a lot more fun than what I was
using (CH Virtual Pilot Pro), but my times are lousy. I think it may
be that before I was left-foot braking; now I drive like I drive my
real car, and the it takes time to get off the accellerator and on the
brake.

Are you using pedals with your joystick? Or what are you doing for
shifting/braking/accellerating?

Jamie O'Shaughnes

ICR2 Longbeach

by Jamie O'Shaughnes » Thu, 18 Apr 1996 04:00:00



>51.987 is fantastic no matter what you are using (I'm at 52.5xx)...
>but I must say, I am dissapointed to hear someone give up on the T2,
>since I just bought one two days ago. I must admit that I have found
>that my times are a full second slower now than before I got it. I
>wonder what it is about the T2- it is a lot more fun than what I was
>using (CH Virtual Pilot Pro), but my times are lousy. I think it may
>be that before I was left-foot braking; now I drive like I drive my
>real car, and the it takes time to get off the accellerator and on the
>brake.

>Are you using pedals with your joystick? Or what are you doing for
>shifting/braking/accellerating?

With the joystick, how have you got the controls set up? I have mine:
Left/Right      - steering
Forwards        - accelerate
Backwards       - brake
But1            - change up
But2            - change down

This seems to work well for me. You mentioned "left foot braking", so I assume
you have brake mapped to a button (or using pedals)? This seems a good idea as I
bet it's quick to get on the brakes late for a corner. But don't you loose a lot
of braking sensitivity? (as you're mapping an analog to a digital). I don't know
how this would affect lap times, you amy gain of late heavy braking but you
completely loose out on light dabs of the brakes into faster corners.

Anyone got any theories here?

Jamie

Hen

ICR2 Longbeach

by Hen » Thu, 18 Apr 1996 04:00:00


> I am one of those who use a joystick to play ICR2, as I didn't like the T2
> when I bought it and played with it. I have currently worked down to a 51.987
> on Longbeach and was wondering what kind of times everyone else was doing on
> Longbeach with joysticks. I hear that some with steering wheels have gotten
> down to a high 50's? Hmm, I think 51's are my limit, but I would be curious
> to hear what you all are doing.

I've done 51.179 with a CH Mach I+ joystick ... even got a replay of it ...
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Johnny Ah

ICR2 Longbeach

by Johnny Ah » Thu, 18 Apr 1996 04:00:00

I have my joystick set up the same way as above. I gave up on the T2 'cause I
was more than 2 seconds off my regular lap times. The car was completly
loose, and I was trying to use gradual acceleration, and braking. The car
just felt inexplicably loose. I heard something about the game making
adjustments depending on whether you use keyboard, joystick or steering
wheel/pedals. I would very much like to use the T2, but I'm not convinced it
will work well for me. I'm not sure how some people have done such fast times
with the T2. It is probably just me not being used to it. Oh well, maybe I
should give it another try.

Johnny Ahn

Terje Wold Johans

ICR2 Longbeach

by Terje Wold Johans » Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:00:00


> I am one of those who use a joystick to play ICR2, as I didn't like the T2
> when I bought it and played with it. I have currently worked down to a 51.987
> on Longbeach and was wondering what kind of times everyone else was doing on
> Longbeach with joysticks. I hear that some with steering wheels have gotten
> down to a high 50's? Hmm, I think 51's are my limit, but I would be curious
> to hear what you all are doing.

I have done a 51.087s with a beat up Gravis Analog Pro(I retired it
for a TSW some weeks later.)

Settings: 75F, No Wind, Arcade Damage, Preseason,

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Samuli Taka

ICR2 Longbeach

by Samuli Taka » Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:00:00



I did 51.404 with joystick a month ago. Recent attemps have been around
51.8-51.9. I just can't go faster than that with a joystick. I'd like to
have a T2 but it costs too much here (about 900FIM, that's around US$200).

FYI, my controls are as follows:
left/right : Joy left/right
accel/decel: Joy forward/back
change up  : button1
change down: button2
Non-linear steering, Steering lock as small as possible (I think about 10 in
Long Beach).

Samppa
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Jo

ICR2 Longbeach

by Jo » Sat, 20 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Hey, has anyone else noticed when racing at Long Beach that passing on
the right at the bend in the front straight is suicidal? The AI guys
will hit you even if you are half a car length ahead of them, they'll
just turn right in to you, pushing you in to the wall. This strikes me
as a bug; I don't think a human would do this (well, not counting
Christian Fittipaldi last sunday. I guess to be superrealistic,
Papyrus could get the AI guys to jump out of their cars and attack me
after pushing me in to the wall)
Terje Wold Johans

ICR2 Longbeach

by Terje Wold Johans » Sat, 20 Apr 1996 04:00:00


> Hey, has anyone else noticed when racing at Long Beach that passing on
> the right at the bend in the front straight is suicidal? The AI guys
> will hit you even if you are half a car length ahead of them, they'll

That's a little bug I guess.

But the AI has a blind spot. That blind spot may turn out to
have different characteristics when you are in a hairpin.

Normally the blind spot is when you're halfway up on their
side. It's a little difficult to estimate exactly where
you are when you race.
No matter what track or what turn they will use the racing
line if you are in that precarious position.
Actually that's perfectly ok as long as you are aware of it.
It should be hard to pass! With the right AI settings that
is very true indeed.

Btw when I did my IICC 3 race at Long Beach I often passed
into the hairpin at Long Beach. You just have to be very quick,
and not hesitate. The front runners were a little more difficult
to pass there and hence I didn't try on them as I wanted to
complete the race without damaging the car which would have cost
me the win at the AI settings IICC used at Long Beach.

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--- "I am your inferior superior." O.W.

Michael E. Carv

ICR2 Longbeach

by Michael E. Carv » Mon, 22 Apr 1996 04:00:00

: Hey, has anyone else noticed when racing at Long Beach that passing on
: the right at the bend in the front straight is suicidal? The AI guys
: will hit you even if you are half a car length ahead of them, they'll
: just turn right in to you, pushing you in to the wall. This strikes me
: as a bug; I don't think a human would do this (well, not counting
: Christian Fittipaldi last sunday. I guess to be superrealistic,
: Papyrus could get the AI guys to jump out of their cars and attack me
: after pushing me in to the wall)

Yes, this one is there.  It is not as bad as the line the AI drivers
take coming out of turn #3.  If you pass them going into this turn on
the outside, they head straight for the left-hand wall.  It doesn't
matter if you are 3/4's of a car length ahead of them, they still head
for the wall.  Going down the front straight one can hold the inside of
the bend if you actually get ahead of them enough before it approaches.
However, there is no guarantee.  It seems that the more agressive
drivers may Christian you.  Every track seems to have these "weaknesses"
in the AI driving line.  It's just part of learning the simulation to
avoid them.  The one that drives me crazy is coming out of turns 3&4.
Here the AI usually do a zig-zag side step.  They come through this turn
too slowly and totally out of control.  Don't ever follow them closely
through this corner.  One can take advantage of this by dropping back
just a bit and blow right through the turns and right on by them while
they gather it back in.  Papyrus has said they are looking into their
behavior at this turn.  Maybe they will put the AI drivers on a 1-year
probation :-)

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Johnny Ah

ICR2 Longbeach

by Johnny Ah » Thu, 25 Apr 1996 04:00:00

> I've done 51.179 with a CH Mach I+ joystick ... even got a replay of it ...
> --
> Henrikki (Hena) Hakkanen               Tel. +358-(9)0-345 5538


Wow, that seems a little hard to believe. What car settings are you using?
If this is true, then I see little performance advantage of having a steering
wheel at all...

johnny ahn


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