rec.autos.simulators

by **Thom j** » Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:06:10

What in the hell are you yapping about now? I was referring
strictly to your comment about us jokesters on here! Please
read what I write and not! what you thought I was acussing
you off... phew... Talk About Defensive!! Me thinks you're
being more paranoid with each post? Duh!! :)~

| Now you're beginning to sound awfully definsive there Mr. Never
| Wrecked in N4.
|
| Anyways... Papy has been reported to the better business bureau by
| several people in regards to making people repurchase the software to
| use part of the game (when that wasn't the rules when the game was
| initionaly purchased)
|
| BH

| > Hey! What in the hell do you mean "look into"? We are!! hahaha
| >

| > | Wow some of you outta quit wasting your time online racing and look
| > | into stand up comedy....
| >

by **Uncle Feste** » Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:49:03

> Now you're beginning to sound awfully definsive there Mr. Never
> Wrecked in N4.

> Anyways... Papy has been reported to the better business bureau by
> several people in regards to making people repurchase the software to
> use part of the game (when that wasn't the rules when the game was
> initionaly purchased)

Ermmm.... you're losing more & more credibility the more you speak.
Papy has *forced* NO ONE to re-purchase their product. Anyone who does
so is doing it of their own free will. Personally, if I feel I've been
screwed by a company, I'd be DAMNED if they'd get another penny out of
me if I could help it. I'm sure the folks at the BBB are having a good
chuckle over this. Gives them something to tell their families over
dinner as well. <g>

--

Fester

by **B. Hilt** » Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:59:52

actually they are looking into this and taking it seriously...

> > Now you're beginning to sound awfully definsive there Mr. Never
> > Wrecked in N4.

> > Anyways... Papy has been reported to the better business bureau by
> > several people in regards to making people repurchase the software to
> > use part of the game (when that wasn't the rules when the game was
> > initionaly purchased)

> Ermmm.... you're losing more & more credibility the more you speak.
> Papy has *forced* NO ONE to re-purchase their product. Anyone who does
> so is doing it of their own free will. Personally, if I feel I've been
> screwed by a company, I'd be DAMNED if they'd get another penny out of
> me if I could help it. I'm sure the folks at the BBB are having a good
> chuckle over this. Gives them something to tell their families over
> dinner as well. <g>

> >>Bozo Alert.<<

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:53:15

"B. Hilton"

I am sure they are, but I am also confident that the huge EULA that is
inlcuded with the purchase of every copy of N4 will cover their butts. The
moment you open the box and Install the product, you are agreeing to abide
by the EULA. I wouldn't be suprised that buried somewhere inside the EULA
is a phrase that refers to something like the following. "we reserve the
right to make changes or ammendments to this agreement at anytime." It is a
powerful sentence and basically frees them to make as many changes or
alterations to the original agreement as they like. That can have ***
effects on some users, but other than hard feelings, leaves little room for
legal recourse.
As far as the Sierra forums, they provide the space, the upkeep and the
connection costs, they can pretty much ban whomever they choose for whatever
reason.
dave henrie

by **Eldre** » Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:34:47

>Ah... well, I don't see myself as particularly talented, so that's where the
>confusion started.

>Anyhow, I can sort of go along with the Spa sentiment. If one gets unstuck
>there, one probably will have a fairly big and terminal off. Monaco has a
>six major danger spots, but actually could work quite well if we get some
>level headed people to drive it. Rouen is a great track, IMO, but does have
>some accident hotspots as well.

>Gotta face it, Historic GP racing is dangerous.<g>

Yes, it was. If I schedule Rouen, how many would attend? Monaco will HAVE to
be passworded... I don't think there's any way around that.

Eldred
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by **Asbj?rn Bj?rnst** » Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:54:03

> >Ah... well, I don't see myself as particularly talented, so that's where the
> >confusion started.

> >Anyhow, I can sort of go along with the Spa sentiment. If one gets unstuck
> >there, one probably will have a fairly big and terminal off. Monaco has a
> >six major danger spots, but actually could work quite well if we get some
> >level headed people to drive it. Rouen is a great track, IMO, but does have
> >some accident hotspots as well.

> >Gotta face it, Historic GP racing is dangerous.<g>

> Yes, it was. If I schedule Rouen, how many would attend?

Huba! Huba!

Yes, Monaco is dangerous is a different way than Spa. At Spa slowing
down at the dangerous places removes most of the danger, so you can
run at a safe but slow speed which is the way I try to do full GP
races. Monaco is dangerous at any speed. Rouen is somewhere inbetween
because of the hairpin and the kink in front of it..
--
-asbjxrn

by **Ronald Stoeh** » Sat, 01 Sep 2001 05:37:33

> "B. Hilton"
> > actually they are looking into this and taking it seriously...

> I am sure they are, but I am also confident that the huge EULA that is
> inlcuded with the purchase of every copy of N4 will cover their butts. The
> moment you open the box and Install the product, you are agreeing to abide
> by the EULA. I wouldn't be suprised that buried somewhere inside the EULA
> is a phrase that refers to something like the following. "we reserve the

You mentioned "burried". That's exactly the reason, EULA agreements are
worth...nothing. You didn't agree to it before buying the product, so
it's not in effect, at least in most European countries.

--
l8er
ronny

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by **B. Hilt** » Sat, 01 Sep 2001 21:50:48

They provide space for THEIR severs.... but ban from all... and no
they do not have a saying like that... it has been researched.
Posting more "clarifications" on this is hurting their case more and
more

> > "B. Hilton"
> > > actually they are looking into this and taking it seriously...

> > I am sure they are, but I am also confident that the huge EULA that is
> > inlcuded with the purchase of every copy of N4 will cover their butts. The
> > moment you open the box and Install the product, you are agreeing to abide
> > by the EULA. I wouldn't be suprised that buried somewhere inside the EULA
> > is a phrase that refers to something like the following. "we reserve the

> You mentioned "burried". That's exactly the reason, EULA agreements are
> worth...nothing. You didn't agree to it before buying the product, so
> it's not in effect, at least in most European countries.

> <I just hope, this is not just an urban myth... ;) >

> --
> l8er
> ronny

> Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> to take effect. Reboot now?
> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather,
> ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep.
> |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car,
> '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

by **Joachim Trens** » Sun, 02 Sep 2001 01:29:32

Hi Ronald,

what's usually being overlooked is the fact that IMHO legally, the right to
race on WON isn't part of N4. It doesn't say on the N4 box that racing on
WON is a feature of N4. I.e., the ability to race on WON isn't part of the
non-verbal purchase contract you agree to by buying N4.

Hence, the EULA doesn't affect this banning issue, as the conditions you
agreed to when buying N4 didn't contain WON. Therefor, there's no way of
making legal claims if anyone gets banned from WON.

Apart from that, if Papy doesn't ban you for one strange incident, but
creates a track record of suspected wreckers, I'm fairly sure that if a
wrecker would sue them he'd have no chance. Even if WON were something he's
entitled to, all the guys he wrecked are entitled to the same, and he's
greatly impeded their use of the product.

By wrecking them, he's also violated the terms of use of WON (at least very
much so since the terms of use of WON - Message of the day - contains a
clear statement that wrecking isn't allowed), and all Papy did was making
sure the other buyers can use the product as intended.

Maybe one could even sue wreckers, on the premises of harassing others, of
causing mental stress, or even physical damage. What if someone got
momentary heart probs out of anger because he got wrecked? :-)

Achim

> > "B. Hilton"
> > > actually they are looking into this and taking it seriously...

> > I am sure they are, but I am also confident that the huge EULA that is
> > inlcuded with the purchase of every copy of N4 will cover their butts.
The
> > moment you open the box and Install the product, you are agreeing to
abide
> > by the EULA. I wouldn't be suprised that buried somewhere inside the
EULA
> > is a phrase that refers to something like the following. "we reserve
the

> You mentioned "burried". That's exactly the reason, EULA agreements are
> worth...nothing. You didn't agree to it before buying the product, so
> it's not in effect, at least in most European countries.

> <I just hope, this is not just an urban myth... ;) >

> --
> l8er
> ronny

by **Ronald Stoeh** » Sun, 02 Sep 2001 08:34:18

> Hi Ronald,

> what's usually being overlooked is the fact that IMHO legally, the right to
> race on WON isn't part of N4. It doesn't say on the N4 box that racing on
> WON is a feature of N4. I.e., the ability to race on WON isn't part of the
> non-verbal purchase contract you agree to by buying N4.

I was only commenting on the EULA part, as many software companies, esp.
this really big one ;), like to***their customers with a new gimmick
every year. At least they try...

"No, you can't modify your system more than x times, before you have to
mail in this form telling us everything about you, your friends and your cat!"

--
l8er
ronny

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