rec.autos.simulators

by **Marc Collin** » Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:14:23

Are there any great set-ups out there? I am finding extreme oversteer with
the default ones packaged with the sim.

It isn't brake bias as it happens under braking *and* while cruising through
corners with no brake applied. The slightest bump or problem and wham,
you're around.

I have the high rate physics on, but noticed the same thing with the
standard physics.

Anyone else find this or is it just me?

Thanks,

Marc

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by **Redmis** » Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:02:22

Actually, the default setups are pretty good. Sounds like you're still
driving the cars F1 2002-style ;-)

You have to come off the brakes a little sooner in F1C otherwise all 4
wheels will start to lock up and you'll be thown into oversteer. You also
have be much more careful when accelerating in F1C. If one of the rear
wheels becomes even slightly unloaded while applying the throttle, you'll
quickly be thrown into power-oversteer. Try turning traction control on -
if it still does it then you might be being a little too aggressive in the
corners. One traditional driving method to cope with sudden weight shifts
is to 'drive the outside front wheel' i.e. watch the outside front wheel
while cornering. Sounds pointless, but it seems to help when predicting and
correcting a cars weight transfer. Sorry, I'm rambling now.....I'll leave
you to it.... : )

by **Jason Moy** » Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:58:13

>You have to come off the brakes a little sooner in F1C otherwise all 4
>wheels will start to lock up and you'll be thown into oversteer. You also
>have be much more careful when accelerating in F1C. If one of the rear
>wheels becomes even slightly unloaded while applying the throttle, you'll
>quickly be thrown into power-oversteer. Try turning traction control on -
>if it still does it then you might be being a little too aggressive in the
>corners. One traditional driving method to cope with sudden weight shifts
>is to 'drive the outside front wheel' i.e. watch the outside front wheel
>while cornering. Sounds pointless, but it seems to help when predicting and
>correcting a cars weight transfer. Sorry, I'm rambling now.....I'll leave
>you to it.... : )

The other thing I'm finding that makes me faster (since I'm slow and
prefer not sliding much) is to run fully stiff front bar and fully
soft rear bar. Lots of traction at the rear, and nice controllable
understeer in the slow corners. If you couple it with a fairly low
diff, say 20-30% you can still get the car to turn in well.

Jason

by **Redmis** » Mon, 30 Jun 2003 02:09:04

What you've just described is quite similar to what the real-life teams use
from what I've read.

by **Marc Collin** » Mon, 30 Jun 2003 04:37:22

Thanks. I am sure I am still doing F12002 action. Of course I have all
aids turned off, even though the real pros have TC!!!

Marc

by **Mitch_** » Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:30:54

F1 uses traction control? I thought it was outlawed a few years ago? Or
was that cart...

Mitch

> Thanks. I am sure I am still doing F12002 action. Of course I have all
> aids turned off, even though the real pros have TC!!!

> Marc

> > > Are there any great set-ups out there? I am finding extreme oversteer
> > with
> > > the default ones packaged with the sim.

> > > It isn't brake bias as it happens under braking *and* while cruising
> > through
> > > corners with no brake applied. The slightest bump or problem and
wham,
> > > you're around.

> > > I have the high rate physics on, but noticed the same thing with the
> > > standard physics.

> > > Anyone else find this or is it just me?

> > Actually, the default setups are pretty good. Sounds like you're still
> > driving the cars F1 2002-style ;-)

> > You have to come off the brakes a little sooner in F1C otherwise all 4
> > wheels will start to lock up and you'll be thown into oversteer. You
also
> > have be much more careful when accelerating in F1C. If one of the rear
> > wheels becomes even slightly unloaded while applying the throttle,
you'll
> > quickly be thrown into power-oversteer. Try turning traction control
on -
> > if it still does it then you might be being a little too aggressive in
the
> > corners. One traditional driving method to cope with sudden weight
shifts
> > is to 'drive the outside front wheel' i.e. watch the outside front
wheel
> > while cornering. Sounds pointless, but it seems to help when predicting
> and
> > correcting a cars weight transfer. Sorry, I'm rambling now.....I'll
> leave
> > you to it.... : )

by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:22:07

They did, but then they allowed it again (F1) and, if they can resolve the
aggro about supporting the smaller teams, I think it's gonna be outlawed
again. Along with semi-automatic trannies and two way telemetry.

Confused? -I sure am.

Jan.
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by **Ped Xin** » Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:28:23

Nope, TC will remain. Some of the big teams started to whine up a storm
(mclarencoughwilliams). Actually, I think even Minardi is in favor of TC.

But supposedly, launch control is still to be banned in 2004.

by **Jason Moy** » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:33:00

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:22:07 GMT, "Jan Verschueren"

>They did, but then they allowed it again (F1) and, if they can resolve the
>aggro about supporting the smaller teams, I think it's gonna be outlawed
>again. Along with semi-automatic trannies and two way telemetry.

Semi-auto? Or do you mean fully auto upshifts?

I can't imagine semi-auto being banned, tho it would be cool to see
proper clutches and shifters in the car again.

Jason

by **Haqsa** » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:33:38

Don't they still have a clutch lever on the wheel?

by **Jason Moy** » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 11:15:49

Yeah. They used to use them at the start but with launch control I
guess they never really touch them anymore.

Jason

by **Nick** » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 04:03:14

> >Don't they still have a clutch lever on the wheel?

> Yeah. They used to use them at the start but with launch control I
> guess they never really touch them anymore.

You could always tell a clever driver because when they spun, they would
pull in that lever and catch the engine to recover. Yes they used to use
them for starts too, but it's just about digital (engaged/disengaged). Hit
the required revs on the start line, and drop that lever when the reds go
out. Now they use launch control and the engine has an anti-stall mechanism
if the driver should happen to 'run out of talent'.

Nick

by **Richard S Becket** » Thu, 03 Jul 2003 22:41:59

Edit your .PLR file, change moving steering wheel from 1 to 0, and be amazed
at the difference!!

R.

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