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Indyanapolis track for Indycar racing

Rick Williamso

Indyanapolis track for Indycar racing

by Rick Williamso » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00


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I don't see how this would be quite the same thing.  If the program were
available
to be bought but rather than buying it a person gets a copy frome someone
then I could see
 how that would be stealing from the programmer.  But when the program is
no
 longer available to be bought and a person then gets a copy he is not
taking
anything from the programmer because he didn't have the option to buy.
How
can you lose money on a sale when there is no sale to be made?

Rick

Jim Sokolof

Indyanapolis track for Indycar racing

by Jim Sokolof » Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:00:00


> I don't see how this would be quite the same thing.  If the program were
> available
> to be bought but rather than buying it a person gets a copy frome someone
> then I could see
>  how that would be stealing from the programmer.  But when the program is
> no
>  longer available to be bought and a person then gets a copy he is not
> taking
> anything from the programmer because he didn't have the option to buy.
> How
> can you lose money on a sale when there is no sale to be made?

You make a valid argument. (And a similar argument to the one made by
the Free Software Foundation.) I admit I have some tendencies to agree
with both of them for some cases. http://www.fsf.org/fsf/fsf.html

The simple legal fact of the matter is that intellectual property rights
include the right to exclude others from using a piece of property (for
example, the IMS track pack). The mere fact that their use of the IMS
track wouldn't cause you any concrete damage is irrelevant as far as the
law is concerned.

The above is fact. The reality of the situation is probably that if you
keep reasonably quiet and don't make a big public stink about copying
IMS, you'll probably be OK, because it's just not worth trying to defend
property that has no value. But, if you go out and make a big public
show of copying IMS illegally, you can bet that you'll hear about it.

From that and from using your own brain, decide what you want to do. I'm
not your net-nanny after all... :)
---Jim

Rick Williamso

Indyanapolis track for Indycar racing

by Rick Williamso » Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:00:00


:
:You make a valid argument. (And a similar argument to the one made by
:the Free Software Foundation.) I admit I have some tendencies to agree
:with both of them for some cases. http://www.fsf.org/fsf/fsf.html
:
:The simple legal fact of the matter is that intellectual property rights
:include the right to exclude others from using a piece of property (for
:example, the IMS track pack). The mere fact that their use of the IMS
:track wouldn't cause you any concrete damage is irrelevant as far as the
:law is concerned.
:
Yeah I agree that it is a violation of copyright laws.  I guess my point
was that nobody can say that Sierra is losing money by extra copies of IMS
being made.  And I also don't think you can equate it with blatant piracy
or stealing, as some of those who are trying to put people on a guilt trip
are doing.  The only valid argument I see against it is a violation of
copyright laws, which I suppose is reason enough.  I was just getting kind
of irked by those trying to make it more than it really is.

Cheers

Rick


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