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Tap your brake, and I mean just tap, while you hold you gas all the way
down.  Not good to make contact in the corners.  Then bump draft down the
straightaway or slingshot around coming out of the curve.

Sondog

  What do I do?  I'm gonna be banned soon. :)  I have a pretty good
setup that will let me run with a lead pack in the draft.  But once I
catch up to them, I usually end up hitting somebody.  So what do I do
when I get a run on a fellow hugging the low line in a turn?
  If I bump him he may spin.  If I cut low he'll probably get turned
when my car lurches back up off the apron.  If I let off the gas
momentarily, I risk losing the draft and with my tallll gearing, I might
not be able to catch back up.  If I go high, I also risk losing
posisitions and the draft.  Any ideas?
SuperDaveOsbor...er
dave henrie

Practice, and learn the art of drafting without passing.  The car behind is
always going to be faster than the car leading the draft.  You just gotta
learn how to run second for a while until the right moment, then make your
pass.

You will not lose the draft if you let off the gas for a split
second.

If you are drafting behind someone, you will always be
faster than that person, even in the corner.  Just let
off the gas a tiny bit so you dont hit them, then use the
straights to pass them low.

You need to learn how to lift and not lose the draft.   It takes some
practice.

Drafting is an art, and that gas pedal is your paint brush.

   Don't lift on the gas. Just drag the brake a bit while staying on the
gas.

   Jim

I'll go along with the guys suggesting that you lift the gas. Just
stay behind the leader for as long as it takes for him to make
a mistake. He may get rattled, normal race traffic may interfere
or he may just plain blow it. The important thing is patience.
Just because you catch them does not mean you must
immediately pass :-)

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either way lifting gas or tapping brake works, personally I lift when
entering the turn which is where you usually have the most speed after
drafting down a straight. Another thing I occasionally do is go wide through
a turn w/o lifting which allows you to slow a little, but then your leaving
you position open for someone to pass you.

I second, er third, uh fifth that. I have CH pro pedals
and I find I can't just tap the brakes when traveling
at 195+ mph with the gas floored, it has not effect.
It seems I can push the brake pedal halfway down with no effect,
but beyond that it locks up. This is only at 190+ mph with
full throttle. At slower speeds or less throttle, the tapping
does seem to have an effect. So in short I learned how to lift
for a split second at Tally, and stay in the draft.
Other things: it's very hard to pass the leader on
the outside of the backstretch. If he/she stays low
to middle of track, just get behind and wait, or maybe
someone will come up from behind and you can pass the
leader together.
Also, what about bump drafting? Does anyone give
warning before doing it? Or is it just expected
(on a straightaway at least; no bump drafting in
turns!) I've bumped plenty without wrecking anyone,
and we both pick up speed, but I've only been bumped
a couple times. I've always wondered if I do it too many
times will I end up with damage, or will the car ahead of
me get damaged, even though the bumps are very light. Is
there a cumulative effect here?
Draft racing is something else. Very mental - not much
physical. Continuous concentration and tiny movements,
plus wondering what your opponents are thinking. Patience.
--
Doug Appleyard
"Bound to cover just a little more ground"

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The WC drivers leave the gas on the floor and ride the brake slightly when
they're in a tight draft.  I'm not sure of the electronics of our foot
pedals, but if yours are on a single axis like mine, I'm guessing that
lifting the gas 10% and depressing the brake 10% have exactly the same
effect.  I feel like I have better control with a little brake than with
lifting the gas.  (I do the same on yellow flag restarts, because I don't
want to hit the guy in front, but I don't want to fall back off him either.)

Well, if the leader is running the low line all around the track, you're going
to have a tough time passing him.  Then you'll need everyone behind you to work
with you on the outside and leave the leader*** out all alone.
Racer X
Veteran Sim Racer
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http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Use the Force, Dave...

When you start racing at Superspeedways, you will find a completely new ball
game compared to normal racing.  It's clearly not an easy task.  Patience,
you must learn patience, as Yoda would say.  Try to stay around 0.2-0.1
seconds behind your drafting partner.  Yes partner, since you need to know
who's good at drafting, who's not, and position yourself in the correct
position.  You can easily gain 2positions each lap if you want to, but that
is not always the best thing.  Only the last lap counts.  Try to position
yourself in the top 5 or so, and watch out for breakaways from the top 3.
Stay alert to every move around you.

It always depend on how many laps you have left in a race.  If it's the last
lap, then don't fear trying a more difficult move to pass him.  Yes I
sometimes went in the grass to pass one of them blockers.  Or try to group
with another person behind you and pass him high.  If he blocks high,
slingshot him down on the low groove.  Don't fear bumping him if he really
blocks.  It will be his fault if he crashes.

Ah.  I suggest you try to develop a setup that will make you run a steady
low line in the turns.  It's really something that every experienced dega
driver has I'll say.  The last thing they want is to go up the track when
you are the low driver in a 2-wide situation.  Try to loosen up your setup,
it will help.

Gearing is very easy in N3.  You should never have your RPM over 8000.
Anything higher is unecessary since they run with a restrictor plate
remember.  Don't fear lifting off the gas a little.  Btw in N3, taping the
gas a little equals lifting the gas.  The old Papyrus game engine can't
model the usage of acceleration and braking at the same time.  You won't
loose the draft if you lift the correct way.  People do it all the time.  I
lift all the time, a dozen times each laps normally!

Let's hope this helped a little ;)

Oh finally, watch the multi.rpl replay that Papyrus made in Nascar Racing 3.
It's helpful to get experience of drafting visually.

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how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Single or double-axis, it doesn't change anything in Nascar Racing 3, as the
old Papyrus game engine can't support the usage of gas and brake at the same
time.  So your point above is right, but the numbers are a little different
on a double axis, since the relations are not fully linear IIRC.

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-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

How strange. I have home made pedals (actually foot switches). Braking
and accelerating at the same time, works just fine for me. Must be the
drivers for your pedals rather than the game.

Jim

   This is how I drive the long races on the speedways. I put a book on
the accelerator, if I need to slow, I drag the brake a bit. For pit
stops and yellows, I remove the book. It works, trust me.

   Jim