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Why Are Auto Sim Sites So Damn Slow To Load?

John Simmon

Why Are Auto Sim Sites So Damn Slow To Load?

by John Simmon » Wed, 01 Jan 2003 00:34:19


All I have is DeMONS 1, 2, and now 3, and some NR2K2 car files
available for download.  I don't think I've ever even nearly
approached the bandwidth cap. :)

Ivan

Why Are Auto Sim Sites So Damn Slow To Load?

by Ivan » Wed, 01 Jan 2003 03:04:23

Hi,

This topic is probably started because of the slowness of BHMS, so therefor
I think I should say something on behalf of BHMS.

As the PHP dude for BHMS, I can say the things mentioned above do not apply
for us :-)
We're using PHP and Mysql on an Apache server, so nothing MS related ;-).
The normal parse time of the BHMS website should be less then 1 second and
load time including images around 5 seconds depending on your connection
speed.

We currently have some server issues, which we are investigating and trying
to solve.
These issues unfortunately does also affect some of our hosted websites.

All I can say is at the moment, that these problems will be solved ASAP.

Cheers,
Ivan
Team BHMS
www.bhmotorsports.com

Goy Larse

Why Are Auto Sim Sites So Damn Slow To Load?

by Goy Larse » Wed, 01 Jan 2003 03:51:51


> Hi,

> This topic is probably started because of the slowness of BHMS, so therefor
> I think I should say something on behalf of BHMS.

> As the PHP dude for BHMS, I can say the things mentioned above do not apply
> for us :-)
> We're using PHP and Mysql on an Apache server, so nothing MS related ;-).
> The normal parse time of the BHMS website should be less then 1 second and
> load time including images around 5 seconds depending on your connection
> speed.

> We currently have some server issues, which we are investigating and trying
> to solve.
> These issues unfortunately does also affect some of our hosted websites.

> All I can say is at the moment, that these problems will be solved ASAP.

The easy fix would be to shut down "Jure's Java Scripts" (tm), that
ought to improve server response an infinite amount :-)

Say hi to Pekka, Jure and Jake for me will you  :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

www.corl.c

Why Are Auto Sim Sites So Damn Slow To Load?

by www.corl.c » Wed, 01 Jan 2003 04:45:14

The ISP was down all day for repairs.  Should be up now.
http://schooner.gotdns.com/eracer



> says...
> > Well I would like to hear some comments on eRacer Garage.  Good or Bad
:-)
> > The site is certainly not complete but we are working hard to get things
> > added and ensure links are both working and relevant.
> > Please take a look and let us know what you think or if you have good
info
> > you would like to share please pass it along.

> > As for the issue of speed on most sim sites I think most are correct in
> > saying its an issue of cost.  Most are run out of the pocket of the
person
> > developing them and thus are not able to compete with larger sites that
have
> > high speed stable connections as those cost $$$.  I think everyone does
> > their best to make the sites accessible but I too agree many are slow to
> > load and updated.

> > http://schooner.gotdns.com/eracer

> "This page cannot be displayed."

> It took 30 seconds to display, and it's kinda short on content. I
> didn't see anything aboyt any driving sims. :)

Schoone

Why Are Auto Sim Sites So Damn Slow To Load?

by Schoone » Wed, 01 Jan 2003 04:48:52

I can appreciate you feelings John but again I do not see what ..NET and XML
have to do with this.  Again it appears as if anti MS bias is impacting
anything they produce.  Both these technologies are much more than web
controls, in fact they improve much of the web environment and provide
better feature ability with improved performance.
There are many advantages to a number of these technologies but this is not
the place to go into those.




> > FYI - The use of .NET and XML would have little impact on the loading
time
> > of a page.  In fact .NET should make pages faster as most of the actual
code
> > is now compiled on the server and is generated server side.
> > I agree that not all pages are optimized for sure but this cannot all be
> > blamed on companies like MS.  It's up to the developer to make proper
use of
> > the tools.  Sometimes people's biases against companies like MS
sometimes
> > override reality.  I use MS tools daily for development and like
anything
> > they have good and bad points, it's up to the developers to make the
best
> > use of them to meet the needs of the end users.

> It *is* up to the programmers. But the problem is that most of the
> sites we're talking about are NOT created by professional
> programmers, under a budget (time AND money), or with proper
> forethought or fundamental design.  They only see the "oohh-ahh"
> stuff, and fail to realize that their web server might be throttled,
> or just plain inadequate for what they want to do.  Many times, they
> try to get away with using "free" web space, and often fall victim to
> bandwidth required to display pop-up ads, banners, and poorly
> implemented anti-intrusion code on those servers.

> These problems don't prevent them from implementing crappy
> java/javascript, questionable ActiveX controls, or requiring Flash,
> Quicktime, RealPlayer, or WindowsMediaPlayer.  Most of the people
> that "code" web pages don't have even the hint of a freakin clue, and
> once the page is up, they don't periodically check to make sure the
> links they included still work.

> I have over 50mb of hand-coded graphics-intensive web pages on my web
> site and there is  nothing but pure HTML in use, and they're damn
> fast.  I fail to see the attraction to the java/javascript,
> ActiveXcrement, Flash, .NET, or XML, and 99% of the web sites out
> there don't need any of that ***either.  If they didn't use it,
> their sites would be that much faster and easier to navigate.

> I am not a fan of Microsoft because they push this ***out and try
> real hard to convince people that it'll be a "good thing" (tm) if
> they adopt it.  This shit is nothing more than an end-run around the
> various standards committees, and as a practice it only hurts US -
> the end users.  I don't appreciate it, and it pisses me off to be
> FORCED to enable inefficient and unsecure web "features" (and I use
> that term VERY lightly) in my browser just to view a few personal web
> pages about the sims I drive.

David G Fishe

Why Are Auto Sim Sites So Damn Slow To Load?

by David G Fishe » Wed, 01 Jan 2003 05:39:22

Very nice site with lot's of good info, and easy to navigate.

Loaded in less than a second. :-)

David G Fisher


> Well I would like to hear some comments on eRacer Garage.  Good or Bad :-)
> The site is certainly not complete but we are working hard to get things
> added and ensure links are both working and relevant.
> Please take a look and let us know what you think or if you have good info
> you would like to share please pass it along.

> As for the issue of speed on most sim sites I think most are correct in
> saying its an issue of cost.  Most are run out of the pocket of the person
> developing them and thus are not able to compete with larger sites that
have
> high speed stable connections as those cost $$$.  I think everyone does
> their best to make the sites accessible but I too agree many are slow to
> load and updated.

> http://schooner.gotdns.com/eracer



> > Almost every site I go to seems sloooow. I can hit on 200 sites in a
day,
> > and the only slow ones (and I mean really sloooow) will be the auto sim
> > sites.

> > David G Fisher


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