rec.autos.simulators

by **markgam** » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Isn't Cleveland a hoot? I've loved it since CART started racing there in
real life, and with the various converters I've used it for NASCAR2, N99 and
NASCAR3, plus of course the TPTCC series. The AI could be better, but with
the track so wide, who knows what is the best line? I still like it for GPL,
especially the first corner.

> > Again, there are inherent problems with the ALL the ICR2 tracks, hence
> > the reason I completed a set of AI for N2/TPTCC to fix alot of the
problems.
> > However, there are some problems that I've never been able to work out,
and
> > they deal with bugs in the original tracks. Every single one of the
> > original ICR2
> > tracks had some bugs that made it to the final version, many of them in
the
> > .3do and .trk file.

> You're talking about the Cleveland AI aren't you ? :-)))

> Beers and cheers
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by **Remco Moe** » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00

>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00001SHNL/o/qid=953951383/sr=...

>I found Nascar Legends a little bit dissappointing, but now with the
>converter it's finally worth it's money :)

Thanks man,..

Remco

by **Tracey A Mille** » Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Cleveland is much better in GPL Goy, David's GPL style groove allows
you to race the track instead of wondering where to turn. Plus, the
GPL physics handle the flat course much better than the old ICR2/N2/3
engine.

I haven't ran vs. the AI yet though, and probably never will.

> I absolutely detest that track :-)

> No real braking markers or turn in points, AI is all over the place,
> especially going into T1, a nightmare I tell you, a nightmare

> While testing for the TPTCC last year I was punted off the track by
the
> AI in T1 so many times I almost gave up and submitted a DNF, the
track
> itself is pretty good though, just need some buildings and stuff to
make
> it easier to navigate....I can imagine it being fun online though,
> especially in GPL, haven't had a chance to try it out yet

> --
> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

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> are the only true sports...all others are games."
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by **Goy Larse** » Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:00:00

> Isn't Cleveland a hoot? I've loved it since CART started racing there in
> real life, and with the various converters I've used it for NASCAR2, N99 and
> NASCAR3, plus of course the TPTCC series. The AI could be better, but with
> the track so wide, who knows what is the best line? I still like it for GPL,
> especially the first corner.

I absolutely detest that track :-)

No real braking markers or turn in points, AI is all over the place,
especially going into T1, a nightmare I tell you, a nightmare

While testing for the TPTCC last year I was punted off the track by the
AI in T1 so many times I almost gave up and submitted a DNF, the track
itself is pretty good though, just need some buildings and stuff to make
it easier to navigate....I can imagine it being fun online though,
especially in GPL, haven't had a chance to try it out yet

--
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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are the only true sports...all others are games."
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by **Alison Hin** » Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Thanks, Bruce! I just didn't want Ed's posting to discourage people
unnecessarily, particularly those who might have been on the fence.

I'm delighted to read all the postings from people who are finding that
they love the tracks and that they can race with the AI just fine.

Woohoo!!! For me, having all these tracks available for a quality sim
is a dream come true.

Alison

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:22:38 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell"

>Alison, you have absolutely no need to make any apologies for the Converter
>or anything associated with it. Your explanations are welcomed but please
>do not feel obligated to defend your work or that of any of the team working
>with David.
>You people, and the GPLEA, have breathed more life into GPL than *I* ever
>would have thought possible when I first received the demo.
>Amazing!

Alison

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by **Goy Larse** » Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:00:00

> Cleveland is much better in GPL Goy, David's GPL style groove allows
> you to race the track instead of wondering where to turn. Plus, the
> GPL physics handle the flat course much better than the old ICR2/N2/3
> engine.

Thx, I'll have to try it out once I get some "real life" issues out of
the way, I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but I haven't found the time to
try any of the tracks yet, can't wait to take a Honda for a drive around
Laguna.... :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com

"Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting
are the only true sports...all others are games."
--Ernest Hemingway--

by **Richard Walke** » Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:00:00

You'll probably find you're only liable for at most 50 quid, whatever your
limit. From what I recall, that's the amount on both my Visa & Mastercard
cards. Check the small print - they can't do you for anything more than is
specified in the credit agreement.

Cheers,
Richard

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:00:00

My head knows you're right. My heart is as yellow as a banana plantation.
Besides, it does no harm to keep the limit, and temptation, small :-)

Andrew McP

by **Ed Solhei** » Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:00:00

> Alison, thanks for the explainations, but you don't have to defend yours &
> David's
> work, I know Ed just likes to complain now and then... ;]

Hehehe... well from what I've seen here... it looks like I'm the only one
who care to write what I think about the converter.

I complain 'cause I feel there's something to complain about.
Now, if expressing ones feeling and thought on a subject is wrong... then
please do forgive me.

My view's tho... still have not changed.

--
All the best,
Ed Solheim

by **Andre Warrin** » Tue, 28 Mar 2000 04:00:00

You're not the only one who writes what he thinks about the converter,
but you are the only one who's negative about it :)

Yesterday i had the whole day for myself, and had a blast driving on
all the tracks. Not that i was bored with all the existing tracks, I
allmost never drove on Mexico, but tracks like Riverside, Laguna Seca
and IMS are great to drive. I hardly had any problems with the AI,
they are at least a lot smarter than the F1 2000 AI :) and a LOT
smarter than most VROC drivers :)))

Sure there's a clipping error here and there, sure the AI will do
something stupid occasionally, but look at how much fun we get for 15
pound? By the way, I also gladly paid the money just to say thank you
for all the work he did for us (Osring, Brands), and I have no
problems paying for additional tracks and utilities. People put so
much time in this, asking a little bit of money for it is not more
than reasonable.

Andre

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 22:26:49 GMT, "Ed Solheim"

>Hehehe... well from what I've seen here... it looks like I'm the only one
>who care to write what I think about the converter.

>I complain 'cause I feel there's something to complain about.
>Now, if expressing ones feeling and thought on a subject is wrong... then
>please do forgive me.

>My view's tho... still have not changed.

>--
>All the best,
>Ed Solheim

by **markgam** » Tue, 28 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I have driven all the converter tracks (except the ovals... *hate*
ovals) now against the AI and for the most part they give a good race.
Sure, there could be some tweaks here and there, but for all you get
with the converter, the ability to run all these tracks, it's certainly
money well spent. And as Andre said, Dave Noonan has given us several
freebies already, so I don't mind paying for the converter.

One additional point that should be noted is the superb installer
interface. I have all the old CDs so I installed everything, then
decided to *not* include the skidmarks, so I re-ran all the installs.
The converter did it all without a hitch or duplicate entries in the ini
files. Much simpler than previous installation methods I have seen.

That's just my opinion of course. I am not the best of drivers so I
might be giving more credit to the AI than it deserves, but I am having
lots of fun with it, and in the end, that's what counts.

> You're not the only one who writes what he thinks about the converter,
> but you are the only one who's negative about it :)

> Yesterday i had the whole day for myself, and had a blast driving on
> all the tracks. Not that i was bored with all the existing tracks, I
> allmost never drove on Mexico, but tracks like Riverside, Laguna Seca
> and IMS are great to drive. I hardly had any problems with the AI,
> they are at least a lot smarter than the F1 2000 AI :) and a LOT
> smarter than most VROC drivers :)))

> Sure there's a clipping error here and there, sure the AI will do
> something stupid occasionally, but look at how much fun we get for 15
> pound? By the way, I also gladly paid the money just to say thank you
> for all the work he did for us (Osring, Brands), and I have no
> problems paying for additional tracks and utilities. People put so
> much time in this, asking a little bit of money for it is not more
> than reasonable.

> Andre

> On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 22:26:49 GMT, "Ed Solheim"

> >Hehehe... well from what I've seen here... it looks like I'm the only
one
> >who care to write what I think about the converter.

> >I complain 'cause I feel there's something to complain about.
> >Now, if expressing ones feeling and thought on a subject is wrong...
then
> >please do forgive me.

> >My view's tho... still have not changed.

> >--
> >All the best,
> >Ed Solheim

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by **Andrew MacPhers** » Tue, 28 Mar 2000 04:00:00

The only problem I'm having is the relatively low quality (and frame rate)
of the graphics in the ICR2 tracks. The N3 conversions are almost GPL
quality (Sears for instance), but it's actually quite nice to see a
"decent" track again after racing Mid Ohio or Laguna for a while. Not that
I don't like LS and MO, it's just that driving these tracks again makes me
yearn for a proper GPL track pack with updated graphics. I know the
licensing etc would be a pain and sales wouldn't justify it, but...
<sigh>.

BTW, IMS is actually a surprisingly good track to race on (I'm not
normally an oval fan). Imagine this with a full field of 20. Come on
people, get buying that converter! :-)

Andrew McP

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:00:00

They were my sentiments also....but from an off-line viewpoint. This
circuit, provided as a proper Papyrus add-on to GPL itself, with a full
33-car field, would be a whole new Indy experience. Imagine the Lotus 38,
the Gurney Eagles, the STP turbine, the last of the roadsters....what an
experience!

Shame that it'll never happen.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

by **Eldre** » Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:00:00

>I converted 9 tracks, and after testing some of them, I can only
>recommend everybody to buy this converter asap!
>First I had a novice race on one of the ovals. The AI was perfect in
>this race, all the AI's finished. I expected quite some crashes at
>this high speed close racing, but the only one who crashed was me :)

Which oval did you run first? Has anyone else had problems with only about 8
AI cars bothering to qualify?

Eldred
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by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:00:00

IMS from N3. But I skipped qualifying, so I don't know if there are
any problems with that.

Andre

>>I converted 9 tracks, and after testing some of them, I can only
>>recommend everybody to buy this converter asap!
>>First I had a novice race on one of the ovals. The AI was perfect in
>>this race, all the AI's finished. I expected quite some crashes at
>>this high speed close racing, but the only one who crashed was me :)

>Which oval did you run first? Has anyone else had problems with only about 8
>AI cars bothering to qualify?

>Eldred
>--
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