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  Real english....American style.

  She done it...I seen her.

dh

  Here's one to chew on.  My time for the Nurburgring is something like
9:18 in GPL and 8:12 in GTR.  So which is more real?

Interesting, but not really relevant.  The degree of difficulty in
obtaining a certain lap speed and the degree to which the simulation
responds realistically to setup and control inputs are actually two
different things.  IOW, just because it is difficult to go fast around
the Ring in GPL doesn't necessarily mean GPL is more realistic.

BTW, I concede I just forgot RBR, and that it belongs at or near the
top of the list.

I'd call that a draw, seeing as a moderately quick time in both is about 40
seconds quicker. <g>

Jan.
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yep,  GTLegends only uses the rFactor graphics engine, every other thing
(including multiplayer&physics engine) is the same as in GTR. Calling those
as basically the same is wrong, because graphics only make a part of a game
engine... Then again, it is how the user sees/feels it that counts. If the
user only sees the graphics, thats fine to me.... but a game experince has
to do with physics and multiplayer as well.

I haven't personally played the release version of GTLegends, but judging
from what I've heard, the multiplayer is currently just as buggy as it was
in GTR  (and still is, and I'll bet that there will be no more patches as
90% of the GTR/GTL dev people have now left Simbin...). I'm about to give
GTLegends a fair chance when my cousin buys it, though :)

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rFactor hands down

    very snuggly in the bargainbin (Bargainbin = Simbin's new Company Name)
and very closely followed by the garbage bin

    Haven't bumped into the F3 mod yet? Formula Ford? Formula 1? A little
editing and all those things are right there.

In my opinion, does it really matter? Will racing game skills translate into actual driving skills? Hard to say. If the
tracks are acurate, a racing game could help. However, once in a real car and on a real track, it's going to look and
obviously feel different.

To me, what counts is if the game is enjoyable.

Grand Prix Legends seems to take the longest to learn, mostly because it has the highest power to weight ratio for
non-downforce cars, and no assist features. Some mention that setups don't affect the cars much, but do the cars handle
realistically? I've never driven a real 1967 F1 car, so I can't know, but it seems close enough for me.

F1C99-02 F1's and rFactor Formulas have a very high power to weight ratio, but once at speed (about 100mph or so), the
downforce makes these cars pretty easy to drive.

GTR went through a few releases (from the 1.0 version) to get rid of the reaction of a car almost always facing
backwards at the slighest loss of traction in the rear. The cars are still a bit squirrely when running against the
curbing at Spa's bus stop, something that doesn't seem to happen on the real cars that routinely go over the curbing
there, for example, this F1 car:

http://jeffareid.net/cgi-bin/spaf1.wmv

rFactor has several different cars. I've mostly done my hot lapping with the Formula at Toban, and it seems very similar
to F1C99-02. I also ran the advanced trainer series about 8 times on a 2nd persona to "earn" credits for the Formula via
career mode instead of using the ISI_BABYFACTORY code that I uses for my primary persona. The main thing I notice with
rFactor is that downshifting seems to slow a car down quicker than I expected, and it can also be used to setup a pretty
good drift in the the cars (with assists on).

I'm not a purist though, as I can enjoy Need For Speed High Stakes as much as any simulation oriented game, and NFSHS
has the most arcadish physics of any racing game I'm aware of, but it's very challenging, even more so than some
simulation oriented games (if you go beyond just beating the AI cars and actually attempt to get good lap times,
comparable to what online players can achieve).

If you look at my racing game video page:
http://jeffareid.net/cgi-bin/rgv.htm
You can see that I've played several arcade type games as well as the simulation type games. I find both enjoyable.

Chad

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