rec.autos.simulators

by **dero** » Fri, 10 Dec 1999 04:00:00

I'm going to buy a FF wheel real soon. I want a shifter lever, so have
decided on either the Act Labs Force and the Shifter or the Guillemot
Ferrari Force wheel. I found one review of the Guillemot wheel (good review
at mgprs2.com) but would like to read more. Does anybody know of any other
reviews on the Guillemot wheel, when it will be available and about how much
(US) ? Also, would anyone using either wheel let me know how its working
out. Hmmm, actually I could get a LWFF and make my own shift lever, wouldn't
be too hard... :)

Slot

by **Scott B. Huste** » Fri, 10 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Hello,

I have a review of the ACT LABS Force RS up at Powersims
(http://www.Powersims.com).

On the main page, select controllers under the reviews/hardware section.

Scott
PA-Scott
Powersims.com

COO
MMMGI

--
Scott B. Husted
ICQ# 4395450

by **Shum** » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00

I have the Force-RS and the RS-Shifter review up at:

www.rs2league.com/reviews/reviews_main.htm

cheers,

Shumi
http://www.rs2league.com

by **(Raymond, ACT LABS** » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Hi Slot,
There is a review of the two wheels in December's issues of Maximum
PC. I really don't think there is any comparison. We have the only
"independent" shifter. This means that you can shift from 5 to 2, or
4 to 1 directly rather than having to go through the gears
consecutivlely. You can also check out the review at
www.anandtech.com
www.rs2league.com

Raymond
ACT LABS

>I'm going to buy a FF wheel real soon. I want a shifter lever, so have
>decided on either the Act Labs Force and the Shifter or the Guillemot
>Ferrari Force wheel. I found one review of the Guillemot wheel (good review
>at mgprs2.com) but would like to read more. Does anybody know of any other
>reviews on the Guillemot wheel, when it will be available and about how much
>(US) ? Also, would anyone using either wheel let me know how its working
>out. Hmmm, actually I could get a LWFF and make my own shift lever, wouldn't
>be too hard... :)

>Slot

Raymond
ACT LABS

by **dero** » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Thanks for the replies, but I think you guys misunderstood me. There are
lots of reviews on the Act Labs combo. What I wanted to read is another
review on the Guillemot wheel. Phil Lee's post with his review actually
helped a lot. It seems like a nice wheel and cheaper than the Act Labs.
However, I've been on Guillemot's web site and in their own forum and must
say that they seem to be a flakey company. Raymond's (from Act Labs) reply
to my post here is more than anyone is getting on Guillemot's own forum!
I'm reasonably sure that the Act is a better made and stronger unit and will
probably last longer, and also think their tech support is much better and
responsive. The shifter is nice and may become the next *** revolution,
though at this time I really don't care about a gated shifter, I may in the
future when its all the rage. The only drawback I see to the Act Labs Wheel
and Shifter combo (besides the price) is that in most of the reviews they
say the large motor causes some notchy feeling to the wheel. This would
cause it to be less precise in steering critical angles. But nobody mentions
if this can be eliminated by turning down the FF effect's strength. Most of
the reviews spend a lot of time talking about the box it came in and showing
you pictures of the motor and stuff. I want to know how it FEELS in lots of
driving sims, from Monster Truck Madness2 to MGPRS2 and everywhere in
between. I wish I could review it myself. I could buy the Act Labs units and
try them under their 30 day guarantee, but if I wanted to return them it
would cost me $40 in lost shipping (20 bucks each way). The Guillemot wheel
would do the trick for me, but its not available in the US yet and there is
no place to email a sales dept. at Guillemot to find out when it will be
(stupid, right?). I want a FF wheel NOW!! :)

Slot
(GTX_SlotCar -- Team GTX, 1998 and 1999 Monster Truck Madness 2 world
champions)

by **dero** » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Thanks for the replies, but I think you guys misunderstood me. There are
lots of reviews on the Act Labs combo. What I wanted to read is another
review on the Guillemot wheel. Phil Lee's post with his review actually
helped a lot. It seems like a nice wheel and cheaper than the Act Labs.
However, I've been on Guillemot's web site and in their own forum and must
say that they seem to be a flakey company. Raymond's (from Act Labs) reply
to my post here is more than anyone is getting on Guillemot's own forum!
I'm reasonably sure that the Act is a better made and stronger unit and will
probably last longer, and also think their tech support is much better and
responsive. The shifter is nice and may become the next *** revolution,
though at this time I really don't care about a gated shifter, I may in the
future when its all the rage. The only drawback I see to the Act Labs Wheel
and Shifter combo (besides the price) is that in most of the reviews they
say the large motor causes some notchy feeling to the wheel. This would
cause it to be less precise in steering critical angles. But nobody mentions
if this can be eliminated by turning down the FF effect's strength. Most of
the reviews spend a lot of time talking about the box it came in and showing
you pictures of the motor and stuff. I want to know how it FEELS in lots of
driving sims, from Monster Truck Madness2 to MGPRS2 and everywhere in
between. I wish I could review it myself. I could buy the Act Labs units and
try them under their 30 day guarantee, but if I wanted to return them it
would cost me $40 in lost shipping (20 bucks each way). The Guillemot wheel
would do the trick for me, but its not available in the US yet and there is
no place to email a sales dept. at Guillemot to find out when it will be
(stupid, right?). I want a FF wheel NOW!! :)

Slot
(GTX_SlotCar -- Team GTX, 1998 and 1999 Monster Truck Madness 2 world
champions)

by **dero** » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Ah shoot. I didn't mean to post this twice. Always clear your clipboard :(

Sorry

by **David L. Coo** » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Are you guys sucking up to Papyrus to get support for the RS Shifter in GPL? You
should be <g>. When and if that happens, your sales will surely increase IMO.

--David Cook

> Hi Slot,
> There is a review of the two wheels in December's issues of Maximum
> PC. I really don't think there is any comparison. We have the only
> "independent" shifter. This means that you can shift from 5 to 2, or
> 4 to 1 directly rather than having to go through the gears
> consecutivlely. You can also check out the review at
> www.anandtech.com
> www.rs2league.com

> Raymond
> ACT LABS

> >I'm going to buy a FF wheel real soon. I want a shifter lever, so have
> >decided on either the Act Labs Force and the Shifter or the Guillemot
> >Ferrari Force wheel. I found one review of the Guillemot wheel (good review
> >at mgprs2.com) but would like to read more. Does anybody know of any other
> >reviews on the Guillemot wheel, when it will be available and about how much
> >(US) ? Also, would anyone using either wheel let me know how its working
> >out. Hmmm, actually I could get a LWFF and make my own shift lever, wouldn't
> >be too hard... :)

> >Slot

> Raymond
> ACT LABS

by **GTX_SlotCa** » Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Hi Joerg,
(my news server went down and I had to remove/re-install my news account,
instead of my last name, DeRoy, I entered my online name/team this time)

Looks cheap, oh no :( Unforntunately that's not what I wanted to hear
pal. I just ordered the Ferrari wheel online last night for $130 (free
shipping??) I should have it by Thurs or Fri and after using it a couple
days I'll also post a review. I do know that if the wheel you saw had one
clamp, flimsy paddles and soft pedal springs, its the old version. I just
hope it doesn't look cheap. I bought it because Phil's post was positive,
the review and my conversations at mgprs2 were good, the price is right, and
if I don't like it I can always sell it to someone less critical or on eBay.
Also, one review (just one) said the Act Labs felt notchy and that may make
the steering less precise in some games where a one degree heading at a
point in a corner may be critical. I have never driven with FF so I can only
imagine the feeling. If I was an experience FF user it may not bother me, I
don't know. One thing I'm sure about, judging from their web sites,
Guillemot is kinda flakey and Act Labs is a class act, the company and the
products. I may end up with one of their units yet. My 5 year old boy can't
use a wheel because he can't reach the pedals, may he could use the
Ferrari's levers :) In the end, if I wasn't happy with any of these wheels,
I'll get a LWFF and make my own shifting lever.

Slot

by **GTX_SlotCa** » Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Karl, get back to me in a week and I'll give you a review. If I get it
Thursday like I should, I should be able to evaluate it by Sunday.

Slot

>Please send me a review of the Guilllemot wheel.
>I still got a customized T2 now to race GPL.

>Would love to buy a new one.

by **Karl Zose** » Mon, 13 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Please send me a review of the Guilllemot wheel.
I still got a customized T2 now to race GPL.

Would love to buy a new one.

by **Shum** » Tue, 14 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Guillemot Wheel Review: www.mgprs2.com

Cheers,

Shumi

> Please send me a review of the Guilllemot wheel.
> I still got a customized T2 now to race GPL.

> Would love to buy a new one.

by **Ronnie Bigwhi** » Tue, 14 Dec 1999 04:00:00

I cant find the act labs wheel at any store in Oklahoma. What retailers
carry your wheels?

>Hello Slot,
>FYI, some of our users report a "notchy" feeling. This is likely
>attributable to the Kevlar reinforced belts used in our RS. It
>usually takes about 10 hours of use to "break in" the belts.

>Raymond
>ACT LABS

>>Hi Joerg,
>> (my news server went down and I had to remove/re-install my news account,
>>instead of my last name, DeRoy, I entered my online name/team this time)

>>Looks cheap, oh no :( Unforntunately that's not what I wanted to
hear
>>pal. I just ordered the Ferrari wheel online last night for $130 (free
>>shipping??) I should have it by Thurs or Fri and after using it a couple
>>days I'll also post a review. I do know that if the wheel you saw had one
>>clamp, flimsy paddles and soft pedal springs, its the old version. I just
>>hope it doesn't look cheap. I bought it because Phil's post was positive,
>>the review and my conversations at mgprs2 were good, the price is right,
and
>>if I don't like it I can always sell it to someone less critical or on
eBay.
>>Also, one review (just one) said the Act Labs felt notchy and that may
make
>>the steering less precise in some games where a one degree heading at a
>>point in a corner may be critical. I have never driven with FF so I can
only
>>imagine the feeling. If I was an experience FF user it may not bother me,
I
>>don't know. One thing I'm sure about, judging from their web sites,
>>Guillemot is kinda flakey and Act Labs is a class act, the company and the
>>products. I may end up with one of their units yet. My 5 year old boy
can't
>>use a wheel because he can't reach the pedals, may he could use the
>>Ferrari's levers :) In the end, if I wasn't happy with any of these
wheels,
>>I'll get a LWFF and make my own shifting lever.

>>Slot

>Raymond
>ACT LABS

by **(Raymond, ACT LABS** » Wed, 15 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Hello David,
Hey, whatever it takes to bring a better *** experience to the
driving sim enthusiast. If that means sucking up to Papyrus, then
that's what we'll do. :)
GPL support for our RS Shifter is a two way street. Papyrus would
surely benefit as much as ourselves if they implemented a patch that
supports the ACT LABS RS Shifter.
Please e-mail Papyrus yourself as well if you would like to see RS
Shifter support. :) The more "pressure" they receive, the better.
:)

Raymond
ACT LABS

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:54:55 -0500, "David L. Cook"

>Are you guys sucking up to Papyrus to get support for the RS Shifter in GPL? You
>should be <g>. When and if that happens, your sales will surely increase IMO.

>--David Cook

>> Hi Slot,
>> There is a review of the two wheels in December's issues of Maximum
>> PC. I really don't think there is any comparison. We have the only
>> "independent" shifter. This means that you can shift from 5 to 2, or
>> 4 to 1 directly rather than having to go through the gears
>> consecutivlely. You can also check out the review at
>> www.anandtech.com
>> www.rs2league.com

>> Raymond
>> ACT LABS

>> >I'm going to buy a FF wheel real soon. I want a shifter lever, so have
>> >decided on either the Act Labs Force and the Shifter or the Guillemot
>> >Ferrari Force wheel. I found one review of the Guillemot wheel (good review
>> >at mgprs2.com) but would like to read more. Does anybody know of any other
>> >reviews on the Guillemot wheel, when it will be available and about how much
>> >(US) ? Also, would anyone using either wheel let me know how its working
>> >out. Hmmm, actually I could get a LWFF and make my own shift lever, wouldn't
>> >be too hard... :)

>> >Slot

>> Raymond
>> ACT LABS

Raymond
ACT LABS

by **(Raymond, ACT LABS** » Wed, 15 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Hello,
Please note that retail distribution for our products in Germany are
in the works. For the time being, you can try CD Contract Data at
31-77-32-32-832.

Raymond
ACT LABS

>Hi deroy,

>I am in a very similar situation. My favorite would be the Act Labs.

>>driving sims, from Monster Truck Madness2 to MGPRS2 and everywhere in

>I am only interested in the latter.

>>between. I wish I could review it myself. I could buy the Act Labs units and
>>try them under their 30 day guarantee, but if I wanted to return them it

>Thats the point where you are lucky. I can not buy the Act Labs here
>in Germany. They want US$85 for shipping (not including tax and custom
>fees) and do not have a retailer here! (Imagine the price if I had to
>return it (because of a defect like one of the reviewer mentioned).

>>would cost me $40 in lost shipping (20 bucks each way). The Guillemot wheel
>>would do the trick for me, but its not available in the US yet and there is
>>no place to email a sales dept. at Guillemot to find out when it will be
>>(stupid, right?). I want a FF wheel NOW!! :)

>Thats the point where I am lucky. I have seen the Guillemot (Ferrari
>isnt it) in a store near by. What I like about it is the throttle and
>break levers at the wheel. What I do not like is that I can not
>imagine how to use them together with the shifters - too few and too
>short fingers. Id like to use the gas- and break levers and the
>buttons to shift, like the TM GP1 if you know this wheel. But I do not
>know if this will work. The whole unit looks cheap and the wheel is
>slippery, yet I have not tested it with MGPRS2. I want a FF wheel now
>as well but I left the Guillemot in the store. I might have bought it
>if I had not read the Act Labs reviews...
>Maybe that helps.

>Joerg
>--
>Please remove the _ from my email address if you want to reply by
>mail.

Raymond
ACT LABS

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