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To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

Doug Schneide

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by Doug Schneide » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Only happens to me when I'm cleaning my spare change and I swallow some by
accident.

            Zog

<snip>
Then again, there's probably an equal chance that moneys could fly out of my
rectal orifice, but you never know! <G>
<snip>

Tim (fusio

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by Tim (fusio » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Start with 1000 push-ups. <g>
Really, no redemption is needed in my eyes. This is just something I
read in the morning instead of the newspaper because I can read the
newspaper at work.
Some take it more seriously. Probably too seriously, but that's not my
problem.

I did feel Mr. Dude expressed a valid opinion and you attacked him
personally for it.
Shenanigans are part of almost any racing, and I think any one of
those companies would use an illegal advantage if they thought they
could get away with it.

Tim (C) (R) 43900218823 Reg. US. Pat. Off.


Greg Cisk

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by Greg Cisk » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00


>Geez...stay off RAS for a few days and look what happens....organized
>flames!  Greg, every dog has his day - looks like this one's for
>you.... I hope you take it all for what it's worth.  Obviously, your
>opinions have kept a lot of people from getting bored with this forum.
>Like I said, I lost track of some of these threads.  What in heck did
>you do to generate this sort of reaction?  Not even Schumi bashing gets
>this order of magnitude.............

Basically some TWS or ECCI owner was talking about how he "tended
to prefer" high quality analog wheels, as opposed to Force Feedback
wheels. So I let him have it because I thought he "tended" to feel that
way after he spent all that money (at least 2.5X what FF wheels go for).
And the high quality wheels do not enhance GPL or N3 one bit compared
to good FF wheels.

People were understandably upset. It may have something to do with
a term I used (B$TT F*CKED), more than my opinion. hehe.

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Greg Cisk

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by Greg Cisk » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00



>> >I have been light on you guys until this past few days. Just ask the
>> >flightsim people :-)

>> I can attest to that. (DUH!)

>Everybody has to do something to feel important... many people attempt
>to blow out the candles of others so their own seems to shine more
>brightly. Sad, pathetic, but true...

Yeah. Sometimes all they have to do is put their formal middle name into
their posts. Know what I mean Spence? I'll bet you type with your pinky
extended. Don't get me going dork.

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John Bodi

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by John Bodi » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

LOL!  I hate it when that happens!!  <G>

-- JB


>Only happens to me when I'm cleaning my spare change and I swallow some by
>accident.

>            Zog


><snip>
>Then again, there's probably an equal chance that moneys could fly out of
my
>rectal orifice, but you never know! <G>
><snip>

Barton Spencer Brow

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by Barton Spencer Brow » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> Start with 1000 push-ups.

I'll drop and do a thousand if you'll pay for the ambulance and funeral.
As for cheating -- sure, it goes on all the time, but it just makes no
sense for Ferrari to knowingly contravene a spec of such Lilliputian
import (it was Williams' aerodynamicist who first pointed out thast the
minor barge board discrepancy could not possibly give the Ferraris ANY
performance advantage whatsoever) in the penultimate race of the season.
Sure, Ferrari has a long history of not caring diddly-squat about their
drivers (Enzo's final book, "Piloti, Che Gente," proves that beyond
doubt), but they've ALWAYS been hot for the Manufacturer's championship.
I don't for a moment believe either altruism or "pour le sport" rules
the hearts of ANY F1 teams, but over the past 5-6 years (from the
banning of actives and driver aids, through the plank nonsense and the
grooved tire diddly-wah), the FIA (FISA, FOCA, FOA) itself has been the
antagonist of more hogwash than all the teams combined. They need to
finally (long after the departure of J-M Balestre was supposed to solve
all the problems) clean up their own act. To scrutinize a car all
weekend long, and only come up with a piddle-ass discrepancy AFTER that
car had won a race certainly casts (further) doubt on the FIA's
professionalism -- and if the FIA isn't professional, then they
shouldn't be in the "game" -- which is professional to the tune if
billions of dollars, pounds, DM, yen, punts, rials, and lire a year.

Someone asked why we still watch F1 if we're so disgusted by it. Simply
put, F1 USED to be (and could be again) the pinnacle of the sport: the
BEST cars, the BEST engineers, the BEST drivers. But then the engineers
got TOO good, in a sense: active suspension, driver "aids" like
engine/course mapping and remote-control feedback telemetry were
magnificent engineering feats, and have (obviously) direct applications
to passenger cars. But when it was perceived that advanced engineering
had strayed into an area that produced cars (as one famous ex-Williams
driver of the time said) that could be driven by well-trained monkeys,
it turned Enzo Ferrari's modern opinion of car/driver ratio from 75/25
to something like 85/15. The cult of personality that F1 racing (like
NASCAR) had become, the sheer amount of money in endor***ts, gate
receipts, and TV ad rates that names like Senna, Schumacher, and Mansell
could generate, were in danger. If there's ONE thing the FIA and it's
shadow boss Ecclestone REALLY care about it's money, and lots of it. So
the FIA-mandated retrenchment began -- first the banishment of driver
aids and active suspensions, then the TV-friendly but
spectator-miserable track redesigns, now the supposedly "speed reducing"
and "overtaking enhancing" body and tire width restrictions, and the
grooved tires. Far from reducing speeds meaningfully, all the FIA
managed to do was make the cars uglier and more squirrelly, and to drive
Goodyear from the sport it had so well-supported since 1965, leaving the
hollow, one-make "tire war" to giant Bridgestone/Firestone.

Now, to add insult to injury, the FIA, having mandated F1 into a
crashing, expensive bore, get redeemed by a fluke of fate to actually
have a championship go down to the wire at Suzuka, and then***THAT
flukey pooch by being so technically maladroit that their famed "best
scrutineers in the business" can look at the same goddamn piece of
bodywork for TWO entire race weekends, and not find anything wrong with
it until a car carrying that piece of inconsequential bodywork wins
perhaps the most important race of the season.

That, in a word, sucks. I can't for a moment imagine that Ron Dennis,
Norbert Hauge, Mika Hakkinen, or David Coulthard like it any more than
Luca deMontezemolo, Jean Todt, Ross Brawn, Eddie Irvine, or Michael
Schumacher -- it makes a mockery of a very, very difficult and painful
season. The only GOOD fluke of fate this season is that Pedro Diniz
didn't have his head ripped off when his FIA-mandated rollover bar
ripped off the car like cheap tin at the Nrburgring.

Bottom line is that the FIA needs to get their house in order, and
(IMHO) the first thing they need to do is eliminate the conflict of
interest generated by the unholy partnership between Ecclestone and
Mosely -- it's just not a healthy situation to have the Fhrer of the
sport's governing body playing left-hand pocket pool with the sport's
commercial Supremo.

That's my 2-many-cents.

BB

Barton Spencer Brow

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by Barton Spencer Brow » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> Yeah. Sometimes all they have to do is put their formal middle name into
> their posts. Know what I mean Spence? I'll bet you type with your pinky
> extended. Don't get me going dork.

Oh, by all means -- get yourself going all you like, dorkbreath: I love
to watch people step on their own***s. Oh, BTW, I *don't* actually put
my middle name (my grandfather's, by the way -- at least I knew who mine
was) in my posts: it's a fluke of earthlink's sign-up procedure that
however your name appears on your payment medium is what you get in your
sign up -- but, as a crypto-genius stealth spam-blocker you already knew
that, right? I could change it, of course, but A) it doesn't bother me
(since I never have to type it all out), and B) now that you've pointed
it out, I have to leave it in for sheer annoyance factor. Flame away, loser.

Barton Spencer Brown

Barton Spencer Brow

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by Barton Spencer Brow » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> Yeah. Sometimes all they have to do is put their formal middle name into
> their posts. Know what I mean Spence? I'll bet you type with your pinky
> extended. Don't get me going dork.

Oh, by all means -- get yourself going all you like, dorkbreath: I love
to watch people step on their own***s. Oh, BTW, I *don't* actually put
my middle name (my grandfather's, by the way -- at least I knew who mine
was) in my posts: it's a fluke of earthlink's (as you should know)
sign-up procedure that however your name appears on your payment medium
is what you get in your sign up. I could change it, of course, but A) it
doesn't bother me (since I never have to type it all out), and B) now
that you've pointed it out, I have to leave it in for sheer annoyance
factor. Flame away, loser.

Barton Spencer Brown

Goy Larse

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by Goy Larse » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Bart, you're retired right ?

I mean, come on, you have WAY too much time on your hands, how many
people on the usenet will read the whole post you think, most of us are
limited people with short attention span, a span that does not stretch
beyond one screen of text, so please edit your posts accordingly so I
don't have to scroll down while reading.....

Oh, and I wholeheartedly agree btw, at least those parts I remember :-)

--

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/
"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

Bob Curti

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by Bob Curti » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

All this time I thought they were making a big ado about nothing.  Now I
understand it was just a big ado about a fool.  It's amazing to actually
listen to someone who's proud of his big mouth and the fact that in spite of
the terrible noise, not much of any substance exits that flapping yap.


> Yeah. Sometimes all they have to do is put their formal middle name into
> their posts. Know what I mean Spence? I'll bet you type with your pinky
> extended. Don't get me going dork.

--
Bob Curtin
Worcester Area Strategy & Tactics Exchange
http://www.tiac.net/users/ten10ths/
"If God had intended men to join the Army he would have given us green, baggy
skin"
Remco Moe

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by Remco Moe » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00


>Basically some TWS or ECCI owner was talking about how he "tended
>to prefer" high quality analog wheels, as opposed to Force Feedback
>wheels. So I let him have it because I thought he "tended" to feel that
>way after he spent all that money (at least 2.5X what FF wheels go for).
>And the high quality wheels do not enhance GPL or N3 one bit compared
>to good FF wheels.

Hmmm, I've an Hyperstimulator AND a Logitech FF wheel. The Logitech
is no match for the Hyperstim and is gathering dust at the moment....

So there you've it, the opinion of someone who has both.

Remco

Barton Spencer Brow

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by Barton Spencer Brow » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Sorry for the (almost) double post. Fat finger.
Barton Spencer Brow

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by Barton Spencer Brow » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00



> Bart, you're retired right ?

No, but I type and read quickly -- too quickly, apparently...
John Bodi

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by John Bodi » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00



>>Geez...stay off RAS for a few days and look what happens....organized
>>flames!  Greg, every dog has his day - looks like this one's for
>>you.... I hope you take it all for what it's worth.  Obviously, your
>>opinions have kept a lot of people from getting bored with this forum.
>>Like I said, I lost track of some of these threads.  What in heck did
>>you do to generate this sort of reaction?  Not even Schumi bashing gets
>>this order of magnitude.............

>Basically some TWS or ECCI owner was talking about how he "tended
>to prefer" high quality analog wheels, as opposed to Force Feedback
>wheels. So I let him have it because I thought he "tended" to feel that
>way after he spent all that money (at least 2.5X what FF wheels go for).
>And the high quality wheels do not enhance GPL or N3 one bit compared
>to good FF wheels.

"2.5X" is an exaggeration, Greg -- my TSW2 came with a $220 pricetag, and I
know a lot of people have paid $150 or more for their FF rigs, which means
my base TSW2 (which I said I "tend to prefer" over Force Feedback wheels)
only cost 1.47 times more than a $150 Force Feedback wheel.

Also, if a high quality wheel does not enhance GPL, then why am I faster
with my TSW2 than I am with a Saitek or Microsoft wheel?  Frankly, it's not
your opinion or the profanity that annoys me, it's your damned INACCURACY
and your pompous, self-righteous attitude about the "superiority" of Force
Feedback controllers that ticks me off.

Force Feedback is NOT the best thing since sliced bread, and based on the
number of wheels I've tested and sampled, I can truly say that if the first
and only controller I ever purchased had been a Force Feedback wheel, I'm
positive I would have been disappointed, so much so that it might have
deterred me from pursuing sim racing with any great enthusiasm -- and I
don't think I'm alone in this sentiment.  THAT is the kind of disservice
you're doing for the novices who come here looking for insight and
information -- I (and many others) try to portray all aspects of the driving
controller issue fairly, while YOU invariably strut around touting your
beloved Force Feedback controller and belittleling those who choose to spend
their money in other ways.

Methinks maybe YOU protest a bit too loudly about those people who invest in
TSW or ECCI wheels, rather than the latest Force Feedback fad -- could it be
that you're protesting so loudly to defend what you feel is an inferior
investment, or is it maybe just simple jealousy that prevents you from ever
admitting that those people who have spent more money have maybe gotten more
quality for their money?  Either way, it doesn't speak very well of your
character.

Now, before you -- or anybody else -- decides that I'm just another elitist
TSW owner who doesn't know a thing about Force Feedback, you might want to
check out my review of the Saitek R4 Force wheel, just to see what I've had
to say about some of my own experiences with Force Feedback:

http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/sims/saitek/

-- JB

Mark

To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

by Mark » Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:00:00



Wow.  VFM!

Cheers

Mark
Reading, UK

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