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NASCAR 2003: Mt. Panorama.

Haqsa

NASCAR 2003: Mt. Panorama.

by Haqsa » Thu, 05 Jun 2003 11:42:38

Not that anybody asked me, but I think Donington in a cup car would be
fantastic.  Enough straights for a little drafting, and a gut-check full
throttle section through the first few turns.


> Hi Goy,

> Any (or all) of these tracks would delight me.  Our friend Achim--who
seems
> to have been "away from his desk" for these past coupla weeks--favors Cup
> cars crashing around Monte Carlo like the proverbial bull in a china shop.
> I prefer larger arenas, with room to swing a cat (which may be why I'm aka
> Toonces).

> Of all the wonderful tracks Dave Noonan's converters have given us, I like
> driving Zandvoort the best - it has a great rhythm (and the consequences
of
> getting a wheel off aren't nearly as dire as in GPL).  Likewise,
> Bridgehampton (where I saw the big ol' stockers run in the 1960s) might be
> even better.

> Riverside is my second fav, mainly because I saw Gurney hustle the Wood
> Brothers' Mercury around there when I was a kid, and I marvelled at the
car
> control he had over that 427 cu. in. monster.  I only drove there in
> iddy-biddy (as Dubya would say) Porsches, but even now the Esses raise the
> hackles on my neck.  But oh, that interminable backstretch!  I wish we had
> the "sports car" course (T6 to T7 to T7A, eliminating T8, and halving the
> back straight).

> Admittedly, Elkhart and Silverstone are "stab it and steer it," drag races
> between right-angled corners, but the Oesterreichring is a blast,
infinitely
> better than the emasculated version now masquerading as the "A1" Ring.  I
> bet Noonan's superb Imola and Road Atlanta would be equally fine.

> I'll never be good enough to master the other 'ring, Nurburg, and even
Sears
> is too tricky for me.  I like the old Glen better than the new one, and
most
> of the street courses (except the relatively long-legged Surfers) are
> tank-slapping bores, altho Achim did get me to try Detroit (where I used
to
> wreck with depressing regularity in IndyCar Racing II), and, lo, I liked
it.
> It has a nice flow, even though it's kinda like a lateral Steeplechase.

> I haven't had this much fun in a driving game since "Mobil 1 Rally
> Championship."

> --Steve




> > > Fair.  It ought to appeal mightily to the Aussie V8 hooligans looking
> for a
> > > suitable venue.  Seems kinda hemmed in for such an open setting, tho.

> > Then for some reason I suspect it will appeal to me :-)

> > > If I had a wish list for a dozen N2003-enabled natural-terrain road
> > > circuits, it would have to include (in order of appeal):

> > <snip>

> > > V.I.R. - if the Bridge is an American Zandy, this is a Yank Reims
> > > Reims (if I couldn't have V.I.R.)

> > Keep your eyes out for this one Steve, Jan had a track weekend there a
> > while ago and is campaigning to get this track into N2003 somehow, and
> > Jan often gets what he wants :-)

> > Beers and cheers
> > (uncle) Goy
> > "goyl at nettx dot no"

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> > --Groucho Marx--

Bruce Kennewel

NASCAR 2003: Mt. Panorama.

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 05 Jun 2003 11:44:30

What is "V.I.R"?
(Vegemite International Raceway? Vermont Interred Rasputin? Velocipedes
Inserted Randomly? Voles Ignore Raccoons?..............what?!)

Bruce


Haqsa

NASCAR 2003: Mt. Panorama.

by Haqsa » Thu, 05 Jun 2003 11:49:03

Yeah I think sometimes we overdramatize the weight of the cup cars.  Or
maybe it's the Papy physics, or the default setups, I don't know.  But at
3400 lbs. a cup car may be a bit heavy compared to other forms of race cars
but they are within a few hundred pounds of production Vipers, Corvettes,
and Porsches, cars which most people regard as having pretty good handling,
and have a power to weight ratio that only the most *** production cars
can come close to.  All things considered they should feel plenty fast and
nimble in comparison to anything you can drive on the street.


Matt Jessic

NASCAR 2003: Mt. Panorama.

by Matt Jessic » Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:22:33


> What is "V.I.R"?
> (Vegemite International Raceway? Vermont Interred Rasputin? Velocipedes
> Inserted Randomly? Voles Ignore Raccoons?..............what?!)

> Bruce



>>If anyone is working on VIR for NR2003,  ..............

http://www.virclub.com/
Bruce Kennewel

NASCAR 2003: Mt. Panorama.

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:40:26

Thanks, Matthew. :)

Bruce.

Steve Blankenshi

NASCAR 2003: Mt. Panorama.

by Steve Blankenshi » Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:00:17

Nobody asked me either, but I'll jump in and vote for Blue Mountain; not a
real track, of course, but if you haven't tried it in GPL yet, you're
missing out on a great drive.  Pretty simple layout and fairly easy to learn
the basics of, but it has a nice rhythm and some serious high speed
gut-checks.  Think Masta with elevation changes!

Takes a special blend of technique and hara-kiri commitment to really go
quick on.  Those stockers would probably be easier to keep on the ground,
too... ;-)


> Not that anybody asked me, but I think Donington in a cup car would be
> fantastic.  Enough straights for a little drafting, and a gut-check full
> throttle section through the first few turns.



> > Hi Goy,

> > Any (or all) of these tracks would delight me.  Our friend Achim--who
> seems
> > to have been "away from his desk" for these past coupla weeks--favors
Cup
> > cars crashing around Monte Carlo like the proverbial bull in a china
shop.
> > I prefer larger arenas, with room to swing a cat (which may be why I'm
aka
> > Toonces).

> > Of all the wonderful tracks Dave Noonan's converters have given us, I
like
> > driving Zandvoort the best - it has a great rhythm (and the consequences
> of
> > getting a wheel off aren't nearly as dire as in GPL).  Likewise,
> > Bridgehampton (where I saw the big ol' stockers run in the 1960s) might
be
> > even better.

> > Riverside is my second fav, mainly because I saw Gurney hustle the Wood
> > Brothers' Mercury around there when I was a kid, and I marvelled at the
> car
> > control he had over that 427 cu. in. monster.  I only drove there in
> > iddy-biddy (as Dubya would say) Porsches, but even now the Esses raise
the
> > hackles on my neck.  But oh, that interminable backstretch!  I wish we
had
> > the "sports car" course (T6 to T7 to T7A, eliminating T8, and halving
the
> > back straight).

> > Admittedly, Elkhart and Silverstone are "stab it and steer it," drag
races
> > between right-angled corners, but the Oesterreichring is a blast,
> infinitely
> > better than the emasculated version now masquerading as the "A1" Ring.
I
> > bet Noonan's superb Imola and Road Atlanta would be equally fine.

> > I'll never be good enough to master the other 'ring, Nurburg, and even
> Sears
> > is too tricky for me.  I like the old Glen better than the new one, and
> most
> > of the street courses (except the relatively long-legged Surfers) are
> > tank-slapping bores, altho Achim did get me to try Detroit (where I used
> to
> > wreck with depressing regularity in IndyCar Racing II), and, lo, I liked
> it.
> > It has a nice flow, even though it's kinda like a lateral Steeplechase.

> > I haven't had this much fun in a driving game since "Mobil 1 Rally
> > Championship."

> > --Steve




> > > > Fair.  It ought to appeal mightily to the Aussie V8 hooligans
looking
> > for a
> > > > suitable venue.  Seems kinda hemmed in for such an open setting,
tho.

> > > Then for some reason I suspect it will appeal to me :-)

> > > > If I had a wish list for a dozen N2003-enabled natural-terrain road
> > > > circuits, it would have to include (in order of appeal):

> > > <snip>

> > > > V.I.R. - if the Bridge is an American Zandy, this is a Yank Reims
> > > > Reims (if I couldn't have V.I.R.)

> > > Keep your eyes out for this one Steve, Jan had a track weekend there a
> > > while ago and is campaigning to get this track into N2003 somehow, and
> > > Jan often gets what he wants :-)

> > > Beers and cheers
> > > (uncle) Goy
> > > "goyl at nettx dot no"

> > > http://www.theuspits.com

> > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> > > --Groucho Marx--

Ed Solhei

NASCAR 2003: Mt. Panorama.

by Ed Solhei » Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:32:11

Just had a go at this last night...

The track look nice except for one thing....  a total lack of banking
(camber)  in the corners hence making the cars understeer like hell..

--
ed_

Steve Smit

NASCAR 2003: Mt. Panorama.

by Steve Smit » Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:16:05

Yes, absolutely; one of the only two "fantasy" tracks in GPL I endorse w/o
reservation (the other is Diamante).


> Nobody asked me either, but I'll jump in and vote for Blue Mountain; not a
> real track, of course, but if you haven't tried it in GPL yet, you're
> missing out on a great drive.  Pretty simple layout and fairly easy to
learn
> the basics of, but it has a nice rhythm and some serious high speed
> gut-checks.  Think Masta with elevation changes!

> Takes a special blend of technique and hara-kiri commitment to really go
> quick on.  Those stockers would probably be easier to keep on the ground,
> too... ;-)



> > Not that anybody asked me, but I think Donington in a cup car would be
> > fantastic.  Enough straights for a little drafting, and a gut-check full
> > throttle section through the first few turns.



> > > Hi Goy,

> > > Any (or all) of these tracks would delight me.  Our friend Achim--who
> > seems
> > > to have been "away from his desk" for these past coupla weeks--favors
> Cup
> > > cars crashing around Monte Carlo like the proverbial bull in a china
> shop.
> > > I prefer larger arenas, with room to swing a cat (which may be why I'm
> aka
> > > Toonces).

> > > Of all the wonderful tracks Dave Noonan's converters have given us, I
> like
> > > driving Zandvoort the best - it has a great rhythm (and the
consequences
> > of
> > > getting a wheel off aren't nearly as dire as in GPL).  Likewise,
> > > Bridgehampton (where I saw the big ol' stockers run in the 1960s)
might
> be
> > > even better.

> > > Riverside is my second fav, mainly because I saw Gurney hustle the
Wood
> > > Brothers' Mercury around there when I was a kid, and I marvelled at
the
> > car
> > > control he had over that 427 cu. in. monster.  I only drove there in
> > > iddy-biddy (as Dubya would say) Porsches, but even now the Esses raise
> the
> > > hackles on my neck.  But oh, that interminable backstretch!  I wish we
> had
> > > the "sports car" course (T6 to T7 to T7A, eliminating T8, and halving
> the
> > > back straight).

> > > Admittedly, Elkhart and Silverstone are "stab it and steer it," drag
> races
> > > between right-angled corners, but the Oesterreichring is a blast,
> > infinitely
> > > better than the emasculated version now masquerading as the "A1" Ring.
> I
> > > bet Noonan's superb Imola and Road Atlanta would be equally fine.

> > > I'll never be good enough to master the other 'ring, Nurburg, and even
> > Sears
> > > is too tricky for me.  I like the old Glen better than the new one,
and
> > most
> > > of the street courses (except the relatively long-legged Surfers) are
> > > tank-slapping bores, altho Achim did get me to try Detroit (where I
used
> > to
> > > wreck with depressing regularity in IndyCar Racing II), and, lo, I
liked
> > it.
> > > It has a nice flow, even though it's kinda like a lateral
Steeplechase.

> > > I haven't had this much fun in a driving game since "Mobil 1 Rally
> > > Championship."

> > > --Steve




> > > > > Fair.  It ought to appeal mightily to the Aussie V8 hooligans
> looking
> > > for a
> > > > > suitable venue.  Seems kinda hemmed in for such an open setting,
> tho.

> > > > Then for some reason I suspect it will appeal to me :-)

> > > > > If I had a wish list for a dozen N2003-enabled natural-terrain
road
> > > > > circuits, it would have to include (in order of appeal):

> > > > <snip>

> > > > > V.I.R. - if the Bridge is an American Zandy, this is a Yank Reims
> > > > > Reims (if I couldn't have V.I.R.)

> > > > Keep your eyes out for this one Steve, Jan had a track weekend there
a
> > > > while ago and is campaigning to get this track into N2003 somehow,
and
> > > > Jan often gets what he wants :-)

> > > > Beers and cheers
> > > > (uncle) Goy
> > > > "goyl at nettx dot no"

> > > > http://www.theuspits.com

> > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> > > > --Groucho Marx--

John DiFoo

NASCAR 2003: Mt. Panorama.

by John DiFoo » Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:50:34

On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 12:16:05 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>Yes, absolutely; one of the only two "fantasy" tracks in GPL I endorse w/o
>reservation (the other is Diamante).

I'll have to DL Blue Mountain, tho I am still partial to Gronland as
the best fantasy track.

Nobody mentioned Spa in this subthread-what a great, great
track.  No blind corners and wide for a road course so a
newbie can get along pretty well, but optimizing the various
turns takes a long time to master (I'm still trying to figure
out the best lines to take through L'Eau Rouge and
Malmedy...).

        John DiFool

Matt Knutse

NASCAR 2003: Mt. Panorama.

by Matt Knutse » Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:55:36


Indeed - and it might be too narrow.

the autor has posted his "limits" and it's up to anyone who wants to help
improve it. I have a feeling this track will be phenomenal after a while.

Oh. and I root for a modern Bathurst. I can't stomach racing the modern
NASCAR around 60s tracks, but that's me. If I wanna slob around, I can go
buy need for speed (harr, harr!)

Matt


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