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Tragic - isnt it?

David G Fishe

Tragic - isnt it?

by David G Fishe » Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:23:21

Jason never answered. :-)

David G Fisher




> >Lauda has never driven a car with the amount of downforce of a modern
> >F1 car.

> That's complete BS and another myth.

> The early-mid eighties flatbottomed and ground-effect cars(which Lauda
> also drove)  had tons more downforce than today's cars. Today's cars
> comparatively speaking are much less reliant on downforce than in the
> eighties. They were pulling 4g's laterally in 1982 already(w/ground
> effect). In 1984-85 5g's. And that was with much less sticky tyres.

> Lauda actually said in his interview after his Jaguar test drive that
> he thought the grip was comparatively much more progressive than the
> last cars he drove.

> In his own words(2nd quote earlier interview):

> "Q: You have talked about what is easier nowadays, can you tell us if
> anything is harder?
> NL: The difficult part was getting the balance of the car right -
> going into the corner I had understeer, and at the corner I had a
> twitchy car (oversteer). In my time I used slick tyres so the car was
> glued to the floor, and steady round the corner because of the grip,
> but now we have grooved tyres and less aero (help) the car changes
> characteristics quickly until it get to its grippy phase. It is more
> progressive in terms of speed through corners than it used to be. "

> -"To be honest, there was no such thing as cornering technique in the
> ground effect era. "Cornering" was a euphemism for*** practised on
> the driver. . . When you came into a corner you had to hit the
> accelerator as hard as you possibly could, build up speed as quickly
> as possible and, when things became unstuck, bite the bullet and give
> it even more. In a ground effect car, reaching the limit was
> synonymous with spinning out."

> >If he were 27 and had a chance to do significant testing in a modern
> >F1 car I have a hard time believing he'd have a problem.  As it
> >stands, you've got an old former racer driving a car he's never driven
> >before with no frame of reference for how far he can push it without
> >going off.  He probably also has significantly more fear of going off
> >than most of the new guys do, since in his day going past the limit
> >meant death (was re: his accident at the nurburgring).  Now if you go
> >off you slide over some dirt/gravel and into a tire barrier.

> He apparently wasn't that scared when he brought home the '84 WDC.

jason moy

Tragic - isnt it?

by jason moy » Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:16:36

Aye, what shall I respond with, good sir?

Jason

On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 04:23:21 GMT, "David G Fisher"


>Jason never answered. :-)

>David G Fisher





>> >Lauda has never driven a car with the amount of downforce of a modern
>> >F1 car.

>> That's complete BS and another myth.

>> The early-mid eighties flatbottomed and ground-effect cars(which Lauda
>> also drove)  had tons more downforce than today's cars. Today's cars
>> comparatively speaking are much less reliant on downforce than in the
>> eighties. They were pulling 4g's laterally in 1982 already(w/ground
>> effect). In 1984-85 5g's. And that was with much less sticky tyres.

>> Lauda actually said in his interview after his Jaguar test drive that
>> he thought the grip was comparatively much more progressive than the
>> last cars he drove.

>> In his own words(2nd quote earlier interview):

>> "Q: You have talked about what is easier nowadays, can you tell us if
>> anything is harder?
>> NL: The difficult part was getting the balance of the car right -
>> going into the corner I had understeer, and at the corner I had a
>> twitchy car (oversteer). In my time I used slick tyres so the car was
>> glued to the floor, and steady round the corner because of the grip,
>> but now we have grooved tyres and less aero (help) the car changes
>> characteristics quickly until it get to its grippy phase. It is more
>> progressive in terms of speed through corners than it used to be. "

>> -"To be honest, there was no such thing as cornering technique in the
>> ground effect era. "Cornering" was a euphemism for*** practised on
>> the driver. . . When you came into a corner you had to hit the
>> accelerator as hard as you possibly could, build up speed as quickly
>> as possible and, when things became unstuck, bite the bullet and give
>> it even more. In a ground effect car, reaching the limit was
>> synonymous with spinning out."

>> >If he were 27 and had a chance to do significant testing in a modern
>> >F1 car I have a hard time believing he'd have a problem.  As it
>> >stands, you've got an old former racer driving a car he's never driven
>> >before with no frame of reference for how far he can push it without
>> >going off.  He probably also has significantly more fear of going off
>> >than most of the new guys do, since in his day going past the limit
>> >meant death (was re: his accident at the nurburgring).  Now if you go
>> >off you slide over some dirt/gravel and into a tire barrier.

>> He apparently wasn't that scared when he brought home the '84 WDC.

Eldre

Tragic - isnt it?

by Eldre » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:19:03


writes:

Whoops...!  Wow - look at the time - gotta go!
<G>

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Eldre

Tragic - isnt it?

by Eldre » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:19:03




>>Curiosity, I guess.  Creating and micro-managing a family isn't much
>different
>>from creating and micro-managing a civilization...

>>Eldred

>True, but the real life version of the Sims has way more features and
>is much more interesting.. why the hell simulate it on a computer??

Because I'm better at IT than real life...? :-(

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