rec.autos.simulators

I've been away from racing sims for a few years now.
I used to spend quite a bit of seat time in GPL and NASCAR online
racing.

Has anything replaced GPL yet?
Now after about 2 years of being away, I'm getting the itch to
re-install my old GPL and NASCAR stuff on my new machine (Dell 8400
3GHz PCI-EXPRESS, XP) and dig up my old Thomas Wheel/Pedals (replace
or clean a few pots I bet).

Is VROC still going strong? Still a lot of people racing?

What "new" sims out there (and coming soon) give the most GPL like
experience for online and stand alone?

Should I just forget all new sims and just crank up GPL and go
searching for new add-ons?

Thanks in advance,

-GR

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rms

Not replaced direcly, but there is quite a bit more choice in the '***
sim' world so you should find plenty to choose from.

gpl is still going, vroc is alave & well but not as busy as 2 yrs ago,
partly because we also have iGOR & the '65 mod too now which splits the
community a little.

For online NR2003 & it's various mods is king right now, gpl is still up
there with the best in online terms, but EA F1 titles & the newly released
GTR (based on a similar game engine) have improved their online ability to
the point where it is now tolerable. lfs (Live for Speed) also has excellent
online code & is well worth a look.

As your first port of call I'd say so, the '65 mod is worth trying & the '67
GPLEA cars are real beauties (all of them now). NR2003 & it's mods would be
your next best port of call because you'll quickly familiarise yourself with
it if you are used to gpl.

hth, Malc.

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         John DiFool

GTR has replaced GPL in my opinion. It features the 2003 FIA GT
season. Based on a mod SimBin made for F1 2002, the full game is
based on the ISI's engine. In my mind it's the best currently
available. rFactor by ISI is also available, though only in an
online multiplayer beta at the moment. It's main focus is user
customization rather than one particular racing series.

Yes, I too hated ISI's past efforts. SCGT was fun for a while
until I discoverd GPL. Never played it again. F1 2001 was
garbage, GP3 was better. Never payed any attention to F1 2002
since it's predecessor was so bad. Tried F1 Challenge and it was
pretty good, but still not as good as Papyrus' games. I think
SimBin is making real progress with ISI's old code and ISI itself
is steadily improving it's own stuff so as to really de-throne
Papy as the king of sim makers.

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Maybe not in terms of realism but for some reason I consistantly find
better wheel-to-wheel RACING in my GPL leagues then I have in my NR
based ones.   Quite likely it's due to some inherit lack of realism. ;)

Chad

Nope ..........He is right GPL is still KIng no contest.

I drove, back-to-back, the 3rd-party Nordschleife for GTR and the N2003
conversion of the GPL ver of the Ring in one of the Ferrari P4 mod cars, and
the GTR cars seem much more lively - there's more to react to...and the
response is not only more involved and involving, it also makes the N2003
mod seem crude and unsophisticated by comparison.  That is, GTR seems as
much of a leap ahead of N2003 as N2003 seemed advanced ahead of GPL.

That said, everybody knows the 330 mod physics are hardly plausible (too
much grip, too much drag, too much braking power, not enough horsepower, and
somehow seemingly redolent of the front-engined origins), as if done in
haste.  The forthcoming GTP mod for N2003 seems to have a lot more thought
and effort going into it, and if it manages to capture the elusive aero
element (prolly not fully augmented in the "after-market" Papy CTS/TA
physics to begin with), the multiplayer strengths could play well to online
leagues (which need more event stats, less MoTec data).

rFactor, which is obviously in the early stages of availability to modders,
could easily surpass anything and everything that has gone on before, as
could the curious, SODA-like Live for Speed, and Dave Kaemmer's N2003-based
First-Racing project could yet put the King back on his throne.

IMO.

Newborn Parmesan

This classic Sicilian cuisine can easily be turned into Eggplant Parmesan
If you are planning a vegetarian meal. Or you could just as well use veal -
after all, you have to be careful - Sicilians are touchy about their young
family members...

6 newborn or veal cutlets
Tomato gravy (see index)
4 cups mozzarella, 1cup parmesan, 1cup romano
Seasoned bread crumbs  mixed with  
   parmesan
   romano
   salt
   pepper
   oregano
   garlic powder
   chopped parsley
Flour
eggwash (eggs and milk)
Peanut oil for frying.

Pound the cutlets.
Dredge in flour, eggs, then the bread crumb mixture.
Fry till golden brown in 350 peanut oil.
In a baking pan, place a layer of gravy,
   then one of meat, gravy, and cheese.
Another layer each of meat, gravy, and cheese.
Then bake at 350 for 45 minutes.
Serve on hot pasta with romano cheese.

Southern Fried Small-fry

Tastes like fried chicken, which works just as well.
In fact you may want to practice cutting up whole chickens
for frying before you go for the real thing.
Whole chicken is much more efficient and inexpensive than buying pieces.

1 tiny human, cut into pieces
2 cups flour
Onion, garlic
Salt
pepper
garlic powder
cayenne pepper
hot sauce, etc.
Oil for frying

Mix milk, eggs, hot sauce in a bowl, add chopped onion and garlic.
Season the meat liberally, and marinate for severa

First stuff the heads, or make the patties (see index)
   then fry or bake.  
Set aside to drain on paper towels.
Make a roux with butter, oil and flour,
   brown vegetables in the roux, then add chicken stock and
   allow to simmer for 20 minutes.
Add the patties or stuffed heads, and some loose crawfish,
   lobster, long piglet, or what have you.
Cook on low for 15 minutes, then allow it to set for at least
   15 minutes more.
Serve over steamed rice; this dish is very impressive!

Stuffed Cabbage Rolls

Babies really can be found under a cabbage leaf -
or one can arrange for ground beef to be found there instead.

8 large cabbage leaves
1 lb. lean ground newborn human filets, or ground chuck
Onions
peppers
celery
garlic
soy sauce
salt pepper, etc
Olive oil
breadcrumbs
Tomato Gravy (see index)

Boil the cabbage leaves for 2 minutes to soften.
In skille

Lemon Neonate

Turkey serves just as well, and in fact even looks a bit like a
well-dressed baby. By the time you turn the child?s *** into
cutlets, it will be indistinguishable. The taste of young human,
although similar to turkey (and chicken) often can be wildly
different depending upon what he or she has consumed during its
10 to 14 months of life...

4 well chosen cutlets (from the ***s of 2 healthy neonates)
2 large lemons (fresh lemons always, if possible)
Olive oil
Green onions
Salt
pepper
cornstarch
neonate stock (chicken, or turkey stock is fine)
garlic
parsley
fresh cracked black pepper

Season and saut the cutlets in olive oil till golden brown, remove.
Add the garlic and onions and cook down a bit.
Add some lemon juice and some zest, then de-glaze with stock.
Add