rec.autos.simulators

To throw my two cents worth in (which is about a nickel over priced), I
also race on a T2.  Due to limitations with the desk my computer sits
on, I was not able to use the clamp system that comes with the wheel.
I modified it to mount on a piece of shelving material about 14' x 14'.

I then took the plastic clamps that come with the wheel, drilled and
bolted them to the shelf so that the end of the wheel unit just sticks
over the edge of the board.  I then mount the wheel unit to the board
via the screws that come with the wheel, through the plastic clamps.
My computer desk has a slide out keyboard tray.  I C-clamp the end of
the board to the back of the tray.  This has provided a very stable
platform for the wheel unit, which coinsidently makes it about the same
height and position as the wheel in the Austin Healey 3000 we vintage
race (ie familiar and comfortable).

The room where I have my computer has a vinyl floor, and sliding has
been minimal.  However, a piece or two of duct tape takes care of and
slide problem, probably work on carpet too.  The pedal position is not
optimal, and taking the unit apart, does not look like the brake pedal
could be moved to the open slot on the left side.  It is my assumption
that the base is probably used for a flight flap/rudder set as well.
Thin soled shoes, like driving shoes work well for me, Nike's do not.
Now if they would just replicate along with the feel of the car, the
feel of a five point harness tugging at you on hard deceleration or
acceleration, the wind rush at 150 mph... I ramble on.
Jerry

When I get off of the gas totally and press on the brake with my right foot,
It slows much more and the weight transfer has a more *** effect on
the car sometimes.  I much prefer to keep one foot on the gas and one on
the brake.  I also see the RPMs increasing as I give gas with the brake on,
but my speed doesn't go up.  So in short: it seems like gas and brake can
be applied at the same time with the T2.

Rob Ryder

                Wally

I'm sorry, I can't see how that can be possible. If the brake and gas use the
same axis, then there can only be one value generated for any given combination
of pedal positions. There's no way I can see that you could apply full brake and
full gas at the same time.

My guess is that you are seeing either one pedal over-riding the other one, or a
difference due to changes in your driving style when you use pedal combinations.

Regards,
James.

James is correct.   If you look at the values that change with a joystick diagnostic
program..... A T2 is a single pot that you can alter.    If you press the "gas" down 100
value points, and then press the brake down 50 value points, it is the same as just
pushing the gas down 50.

On the other hand, the CH flight pedals have a switch that will allow it to be a single
axis device our a dual axis device....  With it, you can have any value of accelration
mixed with any value of brake.   The other difference is that the T2 can be used as Axis
2 on Joystick 1 for cards that only support one joystick, where the CH pedals are
designed to be Joystick 2

I don't know how NASCAR or INDYCAR deal with this - if they do at all.  Yes, Rick
Genter, this is your cue  :-)

For those of us who have driven two-footed style in a real racing situation, it may be
that we just imagine the Nascar sim behaving differently because we 'expect' it to.  
The mind is a mysterious thing.
Much like driving with a joystick makes it feel like a game, but using a wheel and
pedals makes you get "lost in it".  Even if it takes some getting used to and your times
are reduced, you don't want to go back to the "game" feel.

Mike   Dr2

Rick Genter
Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II
Sierra On-Line, Inc.

I've used the brake and gas simultaneously in Need For Speed and it works....

Perhaps some of both.  Actually, the RPMs don't change as the gas pedal is smashed
(wish they did), just the speed.  But there is a difference when they are both used
together.  Perhaps the input is varied very very quickly like: left right left right
left right very fast, don't know enough about it to comment.  That is just pure
speculation.

Rob Ryder

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