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GPL: Is using the rail in 1st corner Monza faster?

Joe Marque

GPL: Is using the rail in 1st corner Monza faster?

by Joe Marque » Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I'm hardly fast (1:31.58 at Monza so far) but at least I stay on the track.
You know, most amu***t parks have bumper cars that ride the walls, rails,
etc.  Perhaps a bumper car sim would better suit this guy and wannabe
simmers who just cheat instead of practice.  The funniest thing about your
post is that you're serious!  "Hey guys, I know I'm not really playing
completely fair, you know, driving the rail and stuff.  So, do you guys
recommend I practice, learn how to drive, you know work at it, or just
engage in mental *** and THINK I've accomplished something with a
bogus lap time?"  You are a funny guy, keep posting I love this stuff.

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Joe Marques


Tim

GPL: Is using the rail in 1st corner Monza faster?

by Tim » Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:00:00

try that on mine and you'll not even see me type !eject, people can now
throw you off their server, hope you're ***doesn't get too sore from all
the kicks it's gonna get.

no..... i hope it does get sore... actually i better polish my boots!

Tim

GPL: Is using the rail in 1st corner Monza faster?

by Tim » Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:00:00

it does, try racing pro
Tim

GPL: Is using the rail in 1st corner Monza faster?

by Tim » Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:00:00

so if you misjudged your braking point that's race over too? hmm.... not
sure how the new guys would cope, frankly monza is hectic enough.

if you want that, race pro and inter like i do, that way a mistake like this
(or purposeful rail riding) causes damage.

Tim

GPL: Is using the rail in 1st corner Monza faster?

by Tim » Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:00:00

The fact is, he isn't as good at the 'game' as the people he is 'beating'..
now that's sad.

The poor guy, not only does he cheat, he's ***too!

Dan Kap

GPL: Is using the rail in 1st corner Monza faster?

by Dan Kap » Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Here's an answer to your question:  "Is it fair to cheat?".......Yes, it
isn't.


> !eject adam


> > I do it online all the time, and have won a few races that way.  It may
be
> > considered wrong......but if its in the game, its in the game.



> > > I just won my first race in GPL in Monza, but I'm not driving
completely
> > > fair as I use the rail in the first corner. When I drive in 6th gear I
> > just
> > > run into the rail and remain flat out on the throttle. That way I can
> > easily
> > > overtake the AI drivers and make up some time I lose in the rest of
the
> > Lap.

> > > By the way my best lap so far is 1:30.08 ( not that fast yet I know,
but
> > I'm
> > > just playing the game for a couple of days)

> > > My question is: Is using the rail really faster than not using it or
will
> > I
> > > eventually be faster staying away of the rail.

> > > I realise that when I turn up the damage reality level I will not be
able
> > to
> > > use the rail.

> > > Greets,

> > > Dogge

Graeme Nas

GPL: Is using the rail in 1st corner Monza faster?

by Graeme Nas » Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Hooray for GPL 1.1....

!eject :-)

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david kar

GPL: Is using the rail in 1st corner Monza faster?

by david kar » Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Here, hear, Eldred--I agree entirely.

And anyway, I consider the rail my own personal crashing spot.

DK



Wolfgang Prei

GPL: Is using the rail in 1st corner Monza faster?

by Wolfgang Prei » Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>>Riding the rail should damage the car instantly and severly, even in
>>novice mode!

>That might be harsh. What if you just drift wide and slide through the
>grass...?  You'd be out of the race, even on Novice...

A bit of sh***y at the end of the rail would do the trick.
Something that sends your car spinning if you attempt to ride the rail
at full speed. Like that $%%& little tree at Tiergarten on the 'Ring
(just after the mother of all straights.)

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Wolfgang Prei

GPL: Is using the rail in 1st corner Monza faster?

by Wolfgang Prei » Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>I do it online all the time, and have won a few races that way.  It may be
>considered wrong......but if its in the game, its in the game.

I can see your point. Riding the rails is not cheating in the same way
as changing some hex values to give you double power and triple grip.
It is something the program allows you to do.

OTOH, it *is* cheating anyway. You are cheating yourself of the
experience to do clean, fast laps. Going fast is easier that way, for
sure, but not half as rewarding. If GPL allowed you to turn right at
the Nordkehre on the Nuerburgring and to go back to the start and
finish immediately, would you do it? It would allow you to achieve
sub-one-minute Nuerburgring laps, but it would be - pointless,
wouldn't it?

And when racing online, you also spoil the fun for people who refuse
to exploit this gap in the program. Racing is governed by rules. Some
of those rules in real life are the laws of physics, others are
agreements between the drivers and officials about things you are or
are not allowed to do.

In sim racing, most of the rules (both physics and agreements) are
controlled by the software. But there are still some agreements
between the drivers that should be obeyed even if the software does
allow contradicting behavior. F.i., one is not supposed to
deliberately ram another vehicle, even though the software allows it.

Why don't you consider the rule "thou shalt not ride the rails" one of
those agreements and simply obey it? :)

But if you feel you have to ride the rails as long as GPL does not
forbid it, I think I have found a possible solution: Monza does not
have any "checkpoints" in track.ini. Now, someone must identify the
values for some points in the middle of Curva Grande and the Lesmos
close to the guard rail. A driver who goes across those points will be
black-flagged. People who host races at Monza need to use this new
track.ini file.

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