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Help! T-bird hard drive problems

Alison Hin

Help! T-bird hard drive problems

by Alison Hin » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:25:43

Achim-

In my version of Win98, there are two different Safe Modes.  One Safe
Mode boots into the Windows graphical interface.  This no longer works
on my machine; the system hangs before it gets to the Safe Mode desktop.

The other Safe Mode goes into DOS.  This is the one that boots.  

BTW, it won't boot into the normal DOS Mode; that also hangs.

This plus the fact that both ScanDisk and ConfigSafe95 reported errors
when trying to write to the C partition make me feel that it's likely
that data on the C partition is corrupted.  

It also seems likely that my Windows install (which is on the C
partition) is hosed.  Even if it's not, I'm not sure how to recover from
the installation of the IDE driver which caused the problem, unless I
can get it to boot at least into Windows Safe Mode.  

Hmm.  The IDE driver's setup program does have a command line uninstall
option; perhaps I should boot into DOS Safe Mode and try that?

Anyway, the first thing I want to do is install the new hard drive,
partition and format it, and copy the old drive's D partition contents
to the new one.  Then I will feel a little better about messing with the
old drive.

Alison



>Hi Alison,

>I'm glad to see that things aren't as bad as they looked at first. If you
>can get a dir, and if Scandisk didn't mod anything on the D drive, your data
>won't be lost.

>However, this brings me to another thought - if I understand you correctly,
>the only real problem is under normal Windows mode. But you can boot into
>SafeMode, and there see the HD? I don't remember Win98 well enough to know
>wether there are two different Safe Modes, one which gets you into DOS, and
>one that starts a Windows GUI, but if the SafeMode you mention boots into a
>Windows' grafical user interface, then I'm pretty sure that not even your
>Windows installation is hosed. IMO this would indicate that it's really only
>the HD /chipset driver that gives you troubles.

>If this were the case, then I'd be pretty convinced that neither the
>Motherboard BIOS nor the HD BIOS cause any probs, in this case it would
>really only be a Windows driver problem.

>Apologies if my memory fails me and there is a SafeMode that only uses
>DOS...

>Achim



>> Thanks to Goy, Redline, Achim, Steve, and Steve for your suggestions!
>> Thanks especially for the link to my mobo on the Taiwan site, Redline!

>> I decided to take a day off from the computer yesterday and took the
>> Cobra to a car show down the street.  It got as much attention as a
>> Lamborghini Diablo that was parked next to it!

>> Anyway... I can see the hard drive by booting, hitting F8, and selecting
>> DOS Safe Mode, so I am pretty sure I can also see it if I boot using a
>> Win98 boot floppy.  Dir on both C and D partitions works.

>> Unfortunately I let Scandisk run before I read the posts from you guys,
>> and it had write errors on the C partition, so my Windows installation
>> is probably done for.  But Scandisk didn't find any errors on the D
>> partition (it hung at 99%), so it seems like there's a good chance its
>> data is ok.  If so, I should be able to get GPL off of it.

>> My plan at this point is to buy a new hard drive ($80 with rebates for
>> an 80 GB WD 7200 rpm from CompUSA; thanks Steve Smith!) and try to copy
>> the D partition from the old drive to a partition on the new drive.

>> If that works, I will be ok.  All I'll need is to install Windows on the
>> C partition on the new drive, and reinstall a bunch of programs.

>> I've got a Cobra event this weekend, so I may not be able to put a lot
>> of time into this till next week.

>> Thanks again, guys!  I'll keep you posted.

>> Alison



>> >Alison, DON'T PANIC !

>> >Can you boot with a Win98 startup disk and see your hard drive?
>> >Run Scandisk from a Win98 Startup Disk. If you can then your hard drive
>ain't too messed up.

>> >I sent a follow-up post that I guess got lost in the ether-realm. It'll
>probably appear in a couple of weeks.

>> >I found your KT7 mother board on the "Taiwan" Abit site. I was looking at
>the USA Abit site that only had the KT7A board.
>> >Your board at the Abit Taiwan site;
>> >http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> >On the download page is probably the file that you need. It's called VIA
>Service Pack 4.29v.
>> >You probably have these on your motherboard installation CD, all though
>older.
>> >These are the VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller drivers
>> >Download Page;
>> >http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> >Don't worry about this right now, this is for later when everything is
>booting.

>> >Now what you have done with this IDE tool is unknown to me, but I doubt
>if it's that serious. I just hope it didn't do
>> >something to the VIA chipset.
>> >If your motherboard Bio's is screwed up, just re-flash it from the boot
>floppy that you made for your previous bios
>> >flash.
>> >I hope that you did flash from a boot floppy???? You can do this without
>even having a hard drive hooked up.

>> >Then if you have a spare hard drive (ya must have a drive kicking around
>right? borrow?) install that alone into the
>> >computer and load a OS on it.
>> >Make sure the computer boots up and runs normally.
>> >Take your hard drive with all your GLP stuff on it and put it in computer
>as a slave to this new OS hard drive.
>> >Remember the correct jumper settings. Don't use "Cable Select". Use
>master & slave.
>> >See if everything boots up and you can see all your partitions.
>> >Run Scandisk on the problem drive. If everything is OK start backing up
>the drive to CDR's, CDRW or another hard drive.
>> >I have 8 drives for this box, 130gb is dedicated just for file & Mp3
>backups, plus incremental CDR & CDRW backups.
>> >I'm a former Macintosh user, and one thing about using a Mac is that you
>learn to backup your files daily if not hourly.

>> >Then you can run some more serious utilities on the drive. After you have
>backed it up, (if you can).
>> >Hope that 45 gigs ain't near it's capacity. Mirroring the drive to
>another BIG drive is the fastest and simplest.
>> >Western Digital hard drive tools is the first one to start with. You can
>use the disk that came with the hard drive when
>> >it was new or download a newer version at the WD website here;

>> >http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> >These file may require you to build a boot floppy, read directions.

>> >When you run any of the diagnostics DON"T DO ANYTHING THAT WILL DESTROY
>DATA!
>> >If everything checks out OK, it probably will if you can see both
>partitions and backup the drive.
>> >The this IDE tool did something to the OS during the boot process that is
>giving you problems, which will take a little
>> >more to figure out.

>> >Let me know if you read this, I will also post this through my ISP's news
>service, but they have a UDP on them so...

>> >And I'll try to resend the follow up post again.

>> Alison



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Joachim Trens

Help! T-bird hard drive problems

by Joachim Trens » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:20:32

Hi Alison,

This is definitely the safest approach!

Achim

J

Help! T-bird hard drive problems

by J » Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:19:51

Alison,
I missed the beginning of the thread, but the facts are quite clear:
The HD is messed up, might be only the bios-setting.  Take out the Harddisk and
first try to get your mobo going with another HD (any attempt to access your HD
using wrong bios-settings could damage the contents).

Get the correct bios and create a start-disk with it. Could be that the mobo
with the damaged bios does not start up from floppy anymore, just try it out.

There are some other hammer-methods like burning a new eprom (small hammer) or
exchanging the eprom after starting with an intact one and before re-flashing
with the correct version (big hammer).

Install win98 and only then connect your old HD as second HD. Get the
bios-setting right (auto-detect should do, as long as your HD is not too new or
your mobo is not too old)
Retieve all data you need to reconfigure your win98-environment. For further
info what to retrieve contact me by email.

HTH

Jens

BTW: as you already found out, all those rescue and system-saving gimmicks are
rubbish. At least they would never restore to a stable running system.

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Alison Hin

Help! T-bird hard drive problems

by Alison Hin » Sun, 03 Nov 2002 16:38:07


>Allison, As an aside to your problems and for future reference, Windows 98
>does in fact back up the registry. It keeps 5 backup copies and backs it up
>daily on bootup keeping older ones that are different than existing.These
>will be in either the Windows/system or Windows/sysbackup folder and are
>named  RB00x.cab (x being a number with the highest being the newest,
>usually being the present days backup). These can be accessed by booting in
>Safe mode with a dos prompt and running  Scanregw. This has a number of
>options for restoring the registry to the backed up versions Windows has
>stored. I am in agreement with what Redline said, do not panic and do not
>run scandisk on the drive. As long as you haven't done that, most of your
>data should be recoverable. I expect your o/s will have to be reinstalled
>but all your data should be available to you. The best suggestion was to
>move the hd to another machine and copy over your important stuff or use a
>different drive in same machine and access your existing drive as a slave to
>copy over your data.

>Steve

I just wanted to follow up on this thread and let everyone who made
suggestions know that all is well.  Following your advice, I got my main
racing computer running again (this is the one that I killed a few weeks
ago while trying to get it to use DMA access on the hard drive
properly).

I bought a new hard drive, partitioned and formatted it, and copied the
D partition from the old drive to the new one.  Then I installed Win98
on the C partition of the new drive, and installed all the sound and
Voodoo drivers, Logitech Wingman software, etc.  Luckily I had kept
detailed notes about what I'd done on the previous installation, so it
went pretty smoothly.

I did the disk copy and Windows install one evening, and spent a day
installing everything else and trying to tune the Voodoo5 driver to get
it to look as good as it used to.  That was one thing I hadn't taken
notes on: my 3Dfx Tools settings!  Unfortunately the Web site that I
used before as a reference when tuning the V5 is now gone.  I should
have saved the pages!

Anyway, the computer runs very well and looks almost as good as it used
to.  It feels great to be able to run GPL well again!

Incidentally, I've found that I have the exact same problem with the new
hard drive (an 80 GB WD) as with the old: with DMA access turned on,
writing to the hard drive takes forever and the computer is brought to
its knees while the writing is going on.  With DMA turned off, it's
faster and less intrusive, but I still get little pauses in GPL when GPL
accesses the hard drive.  

FWIW, immediately after installing Windows, I installed the latest
version of the VIA 4 in 1 drivers, which is supposed to have the proper
drivers for my motherboard's IDE controllers.  Also, I am using a DMA
cable, and have DMA set to Auto for the hard drive in the BIOS.

I guess for now I'll live with the way the hard drive behaves with DMA
off.  I wish I could fix it - but I'm not going to mess with it unless I
know for sure I'm doing the right thing!

Thanks again to everyone who made suggestions!  You were extremely
helpful in getting me calmed down and figuring out the right path to
take to recover.

BTW, I bought yet another hard drive and am now routinely backing up to
it my entire GPL installation as well as all my other critical data.

Alison



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