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OT: R/C-racing?

Stefan Larsso

OT: R/C-racing?

by Stefan Larsso » Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:08:24

Hey, any of you out there doing R/C-racing too?

I'm thinking of trying out some kind of R/C-car,
but what to choose?  A car running on methanol
is probably most fun, but requires most money.
Kyosho's Mini-Z class looks fun too, due to its
vast amount of peripherals, but they look too
small to possess any "fun" handling properties.
(http://www.racesimcentral.net/)

Anyone with opinions on this subject?

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/S

Stefan Larsso

OT: R/C-racing?

by Stefan Larsso » Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:48:59

 > that would be hardware racing then. Expensive :)
 > Sorry, no idea.. :D  Big Scale Racing on the PC is fun tho..

yep, I know that PC-racing is fun. I am doing it already
in GPL, Rally Trophy, Live for speed etc. etc.,
but I'm trying to find a "cheap" way to get away from the
computer once in a while... hehehh...

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/S

Mark Daviso

OT: R/C-racing?

by Mark Daviso » Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:38:16


Couple of guys in our league are R/C boys.  Drop me an email if you want me
to get them to contact you.

Regards,

Mark Davison
V8 Thunder OVAL Deputy Admin
Car #69
http://www.v8thunder.com

Dean Purd

OT: R/C-racing?

by Dean Purd » Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:21:45

Hi Stefan. I'm heavily involved in r/c cars and might be able to help. The
big question is if you plan on doing some actual racing or just want to
cruise around parking lots and such. Let me know and we can take it from
there.

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                                           Dean

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long it's been since I've forgotten anything.


hall

OT: R/C-racing?

by hall » Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:57:26

Well, I know this guy.
What he *really* wants is an R/C for cruising up and down the main
street of the village he came from, shouting obscenities at girls in the
belief that it will make them like him, and playing, what he thinks is,
cool music (boyzone and such) loudly in the car stereo.

Any nice R/C for these requirements?
;-)

/hall


> Hi Stefan. I'm heavily involved in r/c cars and might be able to help. The
> big question is if you plan on doing some actual racing or just want to
> cruise around parking lots and such. Let me know and we can take it from
> there.

> --
>                                    See ya in the pits,
>                                            Dean

> I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
> long it's been since I've forgotten anything.



>>Hey, any of you out there doing R/C-racing too?

>>I'm thinking of trying out some kind of R/C-car,
>>but what to choose?  A car running on methanol
>>is probably most fun, but requires most money.
>>Kyosho's Mini-Z class looks fun too, due to its
>>vast amount of peripherals, but they look too
>>small to possess any "fun" handling properties.
>>(http://www.kyosho.com/cars/kyod01x1.html)

>>Anyone with opinions on this subject?

>>--
>>/S

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Mike Grand

OT: R/C-racing?

by Mike Grand » Thu, 01 May 2003 00:15:15

http://teamcrc.com/


Stefan Larsso

OT: R/C-racing?

by Stefan Larsso » Thu, 01 May 2003 00:38:09


> Hi Stefan. I'm heavily involved in r/c cars and might be able to help. The
> big question is if you plan on doing some actual racing or just want to
> cruise around parking lots and such. Let me know and we can take it from
> there.

It's a tricky question. I guess I want to start practice on parking lots
made of tarmac or gravel. It's tempting to get a 1:5 car with lots of
tuning details like camber, suspension stiffness etc. etc. but it's
probably expensive, and I don't know which brands to look for. (I know
of e.g. Franz Gr?schl).  The Mini-Z class is interesting due to that it
is relatively cheap, but they are not recommended to run outdoors. I am
also worried about its handling, i.e. that they'll just slide around
like toy cars due to its size.

I don't like the look of the off-road vehicles (buggys, monstertrucks).
The tarmac racers are too low to use off-track (bad parkinglots with
lots of cracks)... The rally cars (like Subaru Impreza) looks most
interesting.  I've seen several scales of this... 1:8 and smaller.

Well, any advice is appreciated.

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/S

Milhous

OT: R/C-racing?

by Milhous » Thu, 01 May 2003 02:52:29


FYI; you can do this on 1/10 scale cars as well.  From the rest of your
post, I'd say that a 1/10 sedan is probably your best bet.  Personally, I'm
an Associated nut (www.rc10.com - take a look at the RC10TC3 (mostly TC3 for
short) and the TC3 Nitro there) but there's quite a few other
brands...Yokomo, Schumacher, and HPI come to mind immediately.

The classic recommendation is to find a local hobby shop and see what they
stock parts for.  While you can order parts for pretty much any car online,
if it breaks and you still want to run right then, you'll much sooner drive
to the shop and pick up the part rather than wait for days for it to get
there by mail.

Milhouse

J. Todd Wass

OT: R/C-racing?

by J. Todd Wass » Thu, 01 May 2003 07:01:50

If you want a competition car, Serpent is the way to go.

I might be a tad biased though.  I'm flying to the Netherlands on May 6th for a
week (staying in Zandvoort, woohoo! :-)) to get into the finishing-up stages of
the physics engine for Serpent's RC car game, Virtual RC Racing with Pieter
Bervoets, the owner.  Nice guy, and they build the most competitive 1/10th and
1/8th scale cars in the world :-)  I watched the 1/10th scale world
championship in Cincinnati a few months back and had a lot of time to talk with
Michael Salven and the rest of the team.  Awesome.  Imagine getting paid to
design and race RC cars?  

They cost some $$ though; not sure how much you're willing to spend.  The
latest and greatest is the 1/8th scale Serpent 950 (does over 70mph).  Although
you could probably get a Veteq or the older Vector NT for a couple hundred
less.  The 950 has variable roll center geometry and two different types of
suspension for the front.  Techy stuff, but they've been doing extremely well
with the cars.  Everything is adjustable on these cars and they respond the
same way full sized cars do.  

Check into http://serpent.com and http://mytsn.com for more info.

Todd Wasson
Racing Software
http://PerformanceSimulations.com
My car sim
http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

Stefan Larsso

OT: R/C-racing?

by Stefan Larsso » Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:41:11


> Hi Stefan. I'm heavily involved in r/c cars and might be able to help. The
> big question is if you plan on doing some actual racing or just want to
> cruise around parking lots and such. Let me know and we can take it from
> there.

That's the tricky question. I guess I'll have to start to learn to drive
in empty parking lots or gravel surfaces and do some simple competition
with friends. 1:5 cars with 22 cc engines and real brakes looks really
nice, but ought to be kind of expensive. On the other hand, Mini-Z is
cheap and has a lot of peripherals, but only works indoors. I'm just
afraid that the Mini-Z won't handle as a real car due to its size. I
would also find it nice to be able to tamper with settings like camper,
toe in/out, suspension stiffness etc. etc. (to use knowledge from the
sim racing to "real" cars)

I don't think I'm interested in Buggys or Monster trucks. I'd rather
want to get some kind of rally car. Tarmac racers seems to be dependent
on really smooth surfaces.

Any advice on where to start looking for more information on this
subject would be appreciated. I don't know what brands there are
except for Kyosho, Thunder-Tiger and such...

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/S

Dean Purd

OT: R/C-racing?

by Dean Purd » Thu, 01 May 2003 08:03:08

Hi Stefan. It sounds to me that you might be on the right track by getting
yourself a rally type car. They're more versatile than a dedicated racer,
and will be fine to get you started in the hobby. If you find that you
really get the bug for it you can always step up and get yourself a car
better suited for racing. Who knows, with any luck you might even be able to
find a local track that runs a rally class. Just keep in mind that a rally
car will be okay in most environments, but won't really excel in any of
them. But that's where the versatility thing comes into play. You can just
set it down and start cruising. Whatever you decide on good luck, and for
anyone that's interested and may be from the New Jersey area and is looking
for a place to race, here's a link to our clubs website.

http://www.jacksonrcracing.com/

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                                   See ya in the pits,
                                           Dean

I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
long it's been since I've forgotten anything.



> > Hi Stefan. I'm heavily involved in r/c cars and might be able to help.
The
> > big question is if you plan on doing some actual racing or just want to
> > cruise around parking lots and such. Let me know and we can take it from
> > there.

> It's a tricky question. I guess I want to start practice on parking lots
> made of tarmac or gravel. It's tempting to get a 1:5 car with lots of
> tuning details like camber, suspension stiffness etc. etc. but it's
> probably expensive, and I don't know which brands to look for. (I know
> of e.g. Franz Gr?schl).  The Mini-Z class is interesting due to that it
> is relatively cheap, but they are not recommended to run outdoors. I am
> also worried about its handling, i.e. that they'll just slide around
> like toy cars due to its size.

> I don't like the look of the off-road vehicles (buggys, monstertrucks).
> The tarmac racers are too low to use off-track (bad parkinglots with
> lots of cracks)... The rally cars (like Subaru Impreza) looks most
> interesting.  I've seen several scales of this... 1:8 and smaller.

> Well, any advice is appreciated.

> --
> /S

Ruud Dingeman

OT: R/C-racing?

by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 01 May 2003 13:57:07


> Hey, any of you out there doing R/C-racing too?

> I'm thinking of trying out some kind of R/C-car,
> but what to choose?  A car running on methanol
> Anyone with opinions on this subject?

I did "some" R/C racing several years ago (still have the Associated
RC12L and all the tx gear to prove it).

If you want to go for the "GPL" kind of challenge, the toughest category
there is, it'd be indoor (carpet) 1:12 Electric racing.

Because of the insane cornering speeds, (WAY faster than real race cars
due to huge levels of grip) it all happens so fast, there is almost no
room for error whatsoever, especially  in the higher 'Modified' classes.
Compared to that, I've found both off-road and fuel outdoor racing
almost... well.. tame. So much time to catch a slide.

Off-road electric was more fun though.. I'd personally stay away from
fuel r/c, apart from it being less environmentally friendly and more
expensive it'll also limit the number of locations you could practice in
(due to the noise and the BIG spaces needed). And those little ***
engines simply won't always START, less of a problem with electric.

Regards, Rudy (local off-road r/c club champion 1989/90 and not much
else to show for, save having been severely ass-whupped in Modified   ;)

Ruud Dingeman

OT: R/C-racing?

by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 01 May 2003 14:10:45


>>I'm thinking of trying out some kind of R/C-car,
> If you want a competition car, Serpent is the way to go.

Well c'mon, we've got Corally too, you know   ;)

(Personally, I always was an Associated fan. Liked the efficient designs
and the "Team A" spirit.  Serpent's always been cool too though - I've
still got several magazines with racing stories from the late seventies
somewhere.)

Don't try to follow the GPL lines - half the track layout is different
these days   ;)  I'm betting you're going to see Heemstede (the track)
though.

Regards, Ruud

PS. Feel free to drop by for coffee    :)

crossbon

OT: R/C-racing?

by crossbon » Thu, 01 May 2003 14:15:26

Let it be known that on Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:08:24 +0200, Stefan Larsson


>Hey, any of you out there doing R/C-racing too?

>I'm thinking of trying out some kind of R/C-car,
>but what to choose?  A car running on methanol
>is probably most fun, but requires most money.
>Kyosho's Mini-Z class looks fun too, due to its
>vast amount of peripherals, but they look too
>small to possess any "fun" handling properties.
>(http://www.kyosho.com/cars/kyod01x1.html)

>Anyone with opinions on this subject?

http://www.geekjoan.com/  This page has a bunch of videos of the Mini-Z cars in
action, to help get you an idea of what they are like.
Milhous

OT: R/C-racing?

by Milhous » Thu, 01 May 2003 15:10:19


Haha, I thought nobody knew about 1:12 anymore!!!!  That's actually where I
got started, was running 1:12 on an indoor paved track...an Associated (is
there any other brand?) RC12i (yes, an i...before the T-bar) and later "got
back into it" with an RC12LW (my dad's).

Since nobody in AZ seems to want to race them anymore, though, I had to go
to 1:10 sedan...of course, I stuck with the AE boys...man, I've got a LOT of
their stuff; two RC10TC3's, two RC12LW's (one fiberglass, one carbon fiber),
two complete RC12i's and parts for many more, and one gold-tub RC10 buggy
with a swiss-cheesed chassis.  Of course, I also have a pair of Losi XX
buggies, not bad, but offroad isn't really my main thing...

I might "get back into it" yet again this summer, when I'll have a job,
hopefully the time, and the disposable income, and I might even go so far as
to clean up one of the XX's and run offroad just to get more driving
time...the track here in Tucson has both tracks, I don't remember if they're
on the same night or not though.

Milhouse


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