rec.autos.simulators

A recent post (from a very active critic) mentions problems with tire
wear and AI.  Please know that there is a standing request from the
maker of Thunder at High Compression to post bugs, criticism, and
suggestions for making the game better.  Why not do something
constructive like point out the problems that you see to this NG for
our general awareness (without shouting for the 30th time that Thunder
is a piece of (expicative)) and then go to that forum and register the
complaint.  Of course, we can't be sure that the problems will be
fixed with a patch, but numerous complaints in an mature manner and in
the appropriate forum are more likely to trigger a patch than constant
whining in here, and will make this NG a more enjoyable place.

If Thunder is not satisfactory to you, why not play some other game?
"Doctor, it hurts when I do this" so the doctor says "well, don't do
that any more!".  Take two N2002s and a GPL and call me in the
morning.

So feel free to comment about a new title - just dont criticise it too much.

lmfao

Doug

ha........................ya just can't leave it alone can ya..............

If it's not GPL or Nascar 2003 or developed by Papyrus, it's no good.  It's
the way things have been going on around here for years.

If someone thinks GPL and N2003 are the best racing simulators available,
that's fine.  It just doesn't mean that what is said is true for everyone.

Everyone is entitled to an entitlement, though volume, by the same dozen or
so posters, does not mean that no one else is entitled to their entitlement.

It's the old ETE theory.  :)

Alanb

ya..............

It's what he said.  He's decided that he's had enough of people saying they
dont like it - but I'm sure he'd be happy if people said they did.

I mean - I know you're a narrow minded fool anyway - but really - I'd hope
you could actually read.

Doug

Are they going to issue a patch to fix the *worst track models I have
ever seen in a computer game* ?  Are they going to issue a patch to
desaturate the obviously Disney-land inspired textures?  Are they
going to issue a patch with the career mode from the consoles?

Assuming the answer to each of these questions is no, why do I give a
shit if they fix the tire wear model?  Are they also going to fix the
camber model so that the setup parameters affect the car in a
realistic manner?  Are they going to add a multiplayer that is not
only usable but smooth and stable on an analog modem with 42 people?

We already have a simulation that is superior in nearly every way and
is played by the actual professionals who participate in the sport and
can attest to its realism without being handed a fistful of dollars.
It should annoy EA that their multi-million dollar posterboy
exclusively races Papyrus motor simulations.  The arguments in favor
of Thunder that I've read on this ng can be neatly summarized by "It's
easier, therefore I like it more.  It also runs faster than N2002
because the car models drop to 5 polygons when they get 3 feet away
from the camera."

Anyway, there are enough vigilant anti-Papyrus guys here who can
always forward my tire wear/heat sentiments to Ed "we'll add yellows
to multiplayer and fix the AI/damage model in a patch" Martin.

No one ever answered my previous question about baseline setups for
the SSM mod, by the way.  Particularly looking for good baseline Vette
setups that are fairly timid so I can do some tuning.  I realize I'm
risking my reputation as an anti-EA guy here by posting this.  Now I
think I'll go play some Madden 2003 or BF1942...

Jason

NASCAR Thunder is ok.  It's not NASCAR Road Racing or 2000 or
Revolution (or the PC version of the actually good Dreamcast Le Mans
24 Hours game), but few games are that bad.  I'd put it on the same
level with F1 2000.  If the obvious bugs were fixed, the track models
were fixed, the career mode from the consoles was added, the textures
were desaturated (this really amazed me, I find the texture quality to
be closer to SCGT and F12k than F1 2002 or any other modern sim), and
the physics model was fixed so that a.) the car responded to input in
a predictable and semi-realistic manner and b.) changing setup
parameters altered the handling of a car in a predictable and
semi-realistic manner then I think it could be a good or even great
sim.  It's not there yet, but I certainly don't want to discourage the
developers from trying.  Tiburion is much closer to being on the right
track than the previous EA Nascar developer.

Oh wait, I'm the guy who spent 2 hours racing the AI at Atlanta for
the fun of it but is a tireless EA basher and Papy zealot for posting
my critique of the tire/camber modelling.  My bad.

Anyway, next time you have something personal you'd like to argue,
please attempt to include facts that support your argument so that the
flamefest is at least fun and maybe interesting.  The "nyeah nyeah
you're an anti-Papy anti-EA anti-sex anti-anti" finger pointing is
tiresome when there's no factual evidence to support those statements.

We have more proof of Francois Menard being a *** via his
fascination with pastels than we do that anyone on this board is
biased towards a particular game developer.

Jason

You know?.................... You would'nt  know shit if it was spoon fed to ya, which
is pretty bad considering  your full of the stuff.

You and red should form a double act

Doug

Where have I talked about the product? Where have I made criticism or praise

even notice or take the time to see if I'd made any comments about it
whatsoever.

I havnt played it - and have no intention of doing so - as a result - I have
not and will not pass judgement on it.

You're just jumping on the slag-off-doug bandwaggon as usual. Baaaaaaaaa

Doug

Doug

Good argument

Doug