I have just tryed GP3, but I think I have a problem. All other games I have
played the images on screen are sharp and steady, but with this game I get a
wobbly picture. For example the***pit sides seem to shake and move, and
the grass and walls seem to stretch sometimes. Is there a problem with my
graphics card (Voodoo 3 2000) or machine. If not why does it do this.
JC
> > Hi There
> > I have just tryed GP3, but I think I have a problem. All other games I
> have
> > played the images on screen are sharp and steady, but with this game I get
> a
> > wobbly picture. For example the***pit sides seem to shake and move, and
> > the grass and walls seem to stretch sometimes. Is there a problem with my
> > graphics card (Voodoo 3 2000) or machine. If not why does it do this.
> > JC
It could be a deliberate effect to simluate the vibration of the car
(optimistic view) or it could be a lack of accuracy in the transformation
code (realistic view), possibly because GC is still using integer maths.
Yes, but when you are in a car you are moving *with* the car. Why
can't some game developers grasp this concept? Your head will
naturally compensate for this movement, not so when looking at a
computer screen. Jane's did the same thing with their virtual***pit
in Longbow2 and where ***enough not to include an option to turn it
off. Needless to say I never use the virtual***pit in that game
because of it. GP3 is not that bad at all in this area, but it still
should have been made optional. But then that would have taken more
time and money which of couse is a not cool with certain game
publishers.
--
Nos
That's IMO, of course. :-)
Blaze
> >It could be a deliberate effect to simluate the vibration of the car
> >(optimistic view) or it could be a lack of accuracy in the transformation
> >code (realistic view), possibly because GC is still using integer maths.
> I thinks it's just poor implementation of the 3D support.
> It seems like the game doesn't properly use perspective correction,
> that why the textures happen to "swim" or get otherwise distorted
> when the view point changes. And in the virtual***pit it changes
> all the time, hence the textures are jiggling around constantly.
> Then there are the problems with the Z-buffer ... quite obvious that
> they implemented the 3D support only because they "had to", not
> with the intention of taking advantage of it.
> That's IMO, of course. :-)
> Blaze
> >It could be a deliberate effect to simluate the vibration of the car
> >(optimistic view) or it could be a lack of accuracy in the transformation
> >code (realistic view), possibly because GC is still using integer maths.
> I thinks it's just poor implementation of the 3D support.
> It seems like the game doesn't properly use perspective correction,
> that why the textures happen to "swim" or get otherwise distorted
> when the view point changes. And in the virtual***pit it changes
> all the time, hence the textures are jiggling around constantly.
> Then there are the problems with the Z-buffer ... quite obvious that
> they implemented the 3D support only because they "had to", not
> with the intention of taking advantage of it.
> That's IMO, of course. :-)
> Blaze
Jan
The 'About' thingy shows just 4 people, amongst which 1 did the
hardware 3D programming. I REALLY don't know why Crammond bothered to
do the software 3D programming bit. It is NOT rewarding, since NO-ONE
would want to use that anymore. Besides, D3D will emulate it for him
if no h/w is detected. Why bother these days. Silly.
>> >It could be a deliberate effect to simluate the vibration of the car
>> >(optimistic view) or it could be a lack of accuracy in the transformation
>> >code (realistic view), possibly because GC is still using integer maths.
>> I thinks it's just poor implementation of the 3D support.
>> It seems like the game doesn't properly use perspective correction,
>> that why the textures happen to "swim" or get otherwise distorted
>> when the view point changes. And in the virtual***pit it changes
>> all the time, hence the textures are jiggling around constantly.
>> Then there are the problems with the Z-buffer ... quite obvious that
>> they implemented the 3D support only because they "had to", not
>> with the intention of taking advantage of it.
>> That's IMO, of course. :-)
>> Blaze
>I have just tryed GP3, but I think I have a problem. All other games I have
>played the images on screen are sharp and steady, but with this game I get a
>wobbly picture. For example the***pit sides seem to shake and move, and
>the grass and walls seem to stretch sometimes. Is there a problem with my
>graphics card (Voodoo 3 2000) or machine. If not why does it do this.
>JC
I'm not alone!! I have a STRONG suspision that we we are seeing is thr
result of GC having his head in the sand for 5 years and STILL using
integer maths for his graphics engine.
Now this made sense 5 years ago but floating point maths is now way
faster than pure integer. I doubt GC is even using vector code
optimised for PIII,Athalon etc. Which, by the way, is a piece of cake
to achieve.
I hope for sanity that Microprose re-write the graphics engine from the
ground up. The use of integer values (which would have to converted to
pass to DX7 anyway!!) could result in the shifting textures/objects and
the wierd joins between the textures :(
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Before you buy.
The Z-buffer could well only be a low-res - hence the ***depth
problems.
I think he has never heard if mip-maps either! The gravel and crowd
textures shimmer horribly
Geoff needs a hardware enima to get him going...
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Before you buy.
:>I doubt GC is even using vector code
:>optimised for PIII,Athalon etc. Which, by the way, is a piece of cake
:>to achieve.
: In assembler language? Thats what he uses.
Surely not - in this day and age it's not even efficient. Optimising
compilers are better than hand optimised assembly language anyway. I
don't believe GC is using assembler now. For GP2 it wouldn't make MUCH
sense. For GP1 it's maybe just about a reasonable decision.
--
Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving
Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group
Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York
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