rec.autos.simulators

by **V \** » Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:09:15

>> No, actually I haven't yet. I will try a couple, will report back soon.
>> Will
>> also check and see what version I am using for the cat's.........I
>> believe
>> it is 5.10/CCC right now. I don't recall where exactly I go on my system
>> that tells me the Cat's release number, not veriosn number.

> Not sure really, only place I could find it was on the installation file
> I DL'ed from ATI, apparently I'm running 5.6.....obviously I'm not
> paying as much attention to this stuff I used to

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> "When two or more people are gathered together in my name,
> they shall perform the Parrot Sketch..."

> --Our Lord John Cleese--

I would assume I am on 5.10, as the release date is 9/14/2005. Maybe
reverting to an older then?? I have tried the 5.9 and 5.10. I was using the
5.8 before reformat with no problems, but if it is the chip or mobo causing
the grief, would be nice to know what the masses are running to get things
smooth. RBR runs sweeeeeeet at 1600x1200. BF2 lost a file somehow and can't
check it. LFS2 seemed pretty good as well, but as far as grphics go, I get
kinda lost with all the options in the menu. I'd like to set everything to
as high as can go to try, but not sure what all that stuff really is. It
does run smooth, and like RBR, there are a few stutters during replay. All
in all............it may be appearing it is a game vs system issue NOT the
mobo/cpu. I really kind of hope so, that means all is fine here. Just
installed Aquamark3 and will run it shortly as well.

I'll be bock !! (use your terminator voice) ok, stupid,
sorry

Verne

by **V \** » Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:36:46

>>> No, actually I haven't yet. I will try a couple, will report back soon.
>>> Will
>>> also check and see what version I am using for the cat's.........I
>>> believe
>>> it is 5.10/CCC right now. I don't recall where exactly I go on my system
>>> that tells me the Cat's release number, not veriosn number.

>> Not sure really, only place I could find it was on the installation file
>> I DL'ed from ATI, apparently I'm running 5.6.....obviously I'm not
>> paying as much attention to this stuff I used to

>> Beers and cheers
>> (uncle) Goy

>> "When two or more people are gathered together in my name,
>> they shall perform the Parrot Sketch..."

>> --Our Lord John Cleese--

> I would assume I am on 5.10, as the release date is 9/14/2005. Maybe
> reverting to an older then?? I have tried the 5.9 and 5.10. I was using
> the 5.8 before reformat with no problems, but if it is the chip or mobo
> causing the grief, would be nice to know what the masses are running to
> get things smooth. RBR runs sweeeeeeet at 1600x1200. BF2 lost a file
> somehow and can't check it. LFS2 seemed pretty good as well, but as far as
> grphics go, I get kinda lost with all the options in the menu. I'd like to
> set everything to as high as can go to try, but not sure what all that
> stuff really is. It does run smooth, and like RBR, there are a few
> stutters during replay. All in all............it may be appearing it is a
> game vs system issue NOT the mobo/cpu. I really kind of hope so, that
> means all is fine here. Just installed Aquamark3 and will run it shortly
> as well.

> I'll be bock !! (use your terminator voice) ok,
> stupid, sorry

> Verne

I guess I got a decent enough score in Aquamark3. But upon further testing,
it seems that EA games suffer the hit. BF2 is like a major slide show. I
haven't had the chance to reinstall Sims2 for my kids yet, but it seems
doubtful it will work. Is there a site that carries archived Cat drivers? I
have rebooted so many times this last week, a few more attempts with drivers
will not kill me. Just knowing that somebody has figured this out would be
so much easier. DAMN !!! Goy, do you have any EA game troubles with your
chip ??

V

by **Dave Henri** » Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:39:04

Wow, made me feel better Verne. 9813 3dmark with no overclocking.

by **V \** » Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:45:43

>> Okay, ran 3dmark03 and my score was 5315. Are there any particular score
>> lines in my results that you need to know?

>> Verne

> Wow, made me feel better Verne. 9813 3dmark with no overclocking.

What are you running to get those kinds of marks Dave ?? I haven't decided
yet if I am going to OC yet or not. This MSI board has a dynamic OC in the
BIOS.......kinda nice that steps are already taken for me.....just need to
enable them. Stability first. Get these freaking ISI games working. EA
seems to not like my machine anymore, and wouldn't that be fitting, what
games do I play............EA !!!!!!! DAMN

Verne

by **V \** » Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:11:15

>> Ok, using PCmark02 my scores are as follows;

>> CPU: 7166
>> Memory: 7711 (one stick is PC2700)
>> HDD: 659

> Well, at least we know that your CPU is up to speed and that your memory
> configuration is reasonable if not optimal, over to graphics testing,
> using 3DMark03 (smaller download) you should be seeing a score of 6000
> or around 3000 in 05 if you already have that one, again it's very
> helpful to have a baseline to work from

> As for the anomalies in the AGP report I'll refer to Harry's
> explanation, it could just as well be a bug in the report as a wrong
> setting

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> "When two or more people are gathered together in my name,
> they shall perform the Parrot Sketch..."

> --Our Lord John Cleese--

I just compared scores in Aquamark3 with a guy who runs a 9700pro. He beat
my score by 12000. Something is definitely wrong here. If I am running a
card higher, I should be smokin that score. My card obviously
works.......but what might be making it work less than it should. It's
running a lot slower than it should by this comparison. Any ideas based on
this info ?!?!

Verne

by **Pete** » Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:03:53

> >>> No, actually I haven't yet. I will try a couple, will report back soon.
> >>> Will
> >>> also check and see what version I am using for the cat's.........I
> >>> believe
> >>> it is 5.10/CCC right now. I don't recall where exactly I go on my system
> >>> that tells me the Cat's release number, not veriosn number.

> >> Not sure really, only place I could find it was on the installation file
> >> I DL'ed from ATI, apparently I'm running 5.6.....obviously I'm not
> >> paying as much attention to this stuff I used to

> >> Beers and cheers
> >> (uncle) Goy

> >> "When two or more people are gathered together in my name,
> >> they shall perform the Parrot Sketch..."

> >> --Our Lord John Cleese--

> > I would assume I am on 5.10, as the release date is 9/14/2005. Maybe
> > reverting to an older then?? I have tried the 5.9 and 5.10. I was using
> > the 5.8 before reformat with no problems, but if it is the chip or mobo
> > causing the grief, would be nice to know what the masses are running to
> > get things smooth. RBR runs sweeeeeeet at 1600x1200. BF2 lost a file
> > somehow and can't check it. LFS2 seemed pretty good as well, but as far as
> > grphics go, I get kinda lost with all the options in the menu. I'd like to
> > set everything to as high as can go to try, but not sure what all that
> > stuff really is. It does run smooth, and like RBR, there are a few
> > stutters during replay. All in all............it may be appearing it is a
> > game vs system issue NOT the mobo/cpu. I really kind of hope so, that
> > means all is fine here. Just installed Aquamark3 and will run it shortly
> > as well.

> > I'll be bock !! (use your terminator voice) ok,
> > stupid, sorry

> > Verne

> I guess I got a decent enough score in Aquamark3. But upon further testing,
> it seems that EA games suffer the hit. BF2 is like a major slide show. I
> haven't had the chance to reinstall Sims2 for my kids yet, but it seems
> doubtful it will work. Is there a site that carries archived Cat drivers? I
> have rebooted so many times this last week, a few more attempts with drivers
> will not kill me. Just knowing that somebody has figured this out would be
> so much easier. DAMN !!! Goy, do you have any EA game troubles with your
> chip ??

Does that card require extra power for it to run correctly (normally
using one of the molex connectors)? And have you connected it. First
time I got a card that required this I didn't realise it and, though the
card installed ok, it wouldn't run at anything like its optimum spec
until I realised my mistake.

--
Pete Ives
Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email

by **Dave Henri** » Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:16:26

AMD 64bit 3000+(2ghz) cpu. 1.25mb of pc 3200 ddr ram running at 400mhz
ATI X800pro 256mb with v5.7 Catalyst drivers. Reallly cheap MSI bare
bones motherboard. And one really huge Zalman heatsink. It's so big I
could barely get the ram sticks installed. Sitting idle right now it's
running at 32celcius and rarely pops into the upper 40's during heavy 3d
***.

Last I looked, AMD had chips running at 3800+(so that's probably 2.2 ghz
lol)

dh

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:16:49

> >> Okay........I upgraded to an AMD64 3500+ and an MSI K8T Neo2-F mobo. I
> >> still
> >> have my 1024g ram and a 128m 9800pro. XP Home SP2 with DX9.0c
installed.
> >> This "new" system is exactlty as my old one, excpet it was an AMD
Sempron
> >> 2800+ and MSI KT4AV board. Same vid card, same ram......same OS. My
HUGE
> >> problem here is that now GTL demo, and F1c are seriously choppy in
> >> comparison to my OLD setup. I reformatted and reinstalled XP Home. New
> >> 5.10cats......I get about 1 frame every 5 secs in GTL, and the F1c runs
> >> smoother than GTL, but it has chop in the spinner and it is not
anywhere
> >> near as smooth as my old chip. I reinstalled both F1c and GTL to see if
> >> it
> >> made any difference, same thing. I bought the mobo and CPU so that I
> >> could
> >> RUN GTL..........now listen to everybody talk about it. Well, in an
> >> effort
> >> to upgrade for a NEW game, my old game runs worse than before. I
flashed
> >> bios to newest, all drivers are new and updated. Any body have any
ideas
> >> ?!?!?

> > I happen to have a very similar system, same CPU, VIA based Mobo but
> > with a faster PCI-express vid card, if you could grab PCMark2002 (small
> > download), 3DMark03 or 05 (I have both) or another test program if you
> > prefer, I'd be more than happy to do a comparison with you and we could
> > do some troubleshooting afterwards when we've established a performance
> > baseline

> > Using games to troubleshoot is a bit cumbersome as there's a gazillion
> > settings and you don't get a specific results file afterwards

> > Using PCMark02 my results are as follows

> > CPU: 7000
> > Memory: 9000
> > HD: 900

> > A well tuned and freshly rebooted PC with nothing running in the
> > background would prolly get better numbers but it's "thereabouts", at
> > least you shouldn't be seeing significantly lower numbers than these

> > Beers and cheers
> > (uncle) Goy

> > "When two or more people are gathered together in my name,
> > they shall perform the Parrot Sketch..."

> > --Our Lord John Cleese--

> Ok, using PCmark02 my scores are as follows;

> CPU: 7166
> Memory: 7711 (one stick is PC2700)
> HDD: 659

> Funny though, when I look under system info, my AGP (set at 8x in BIOS)
> shows as being set at 2 in the log in PCMark02. Here is a cut and paste of
> the AGP capabilities section

> Revision: 3.0
> Rate: 4x, 8x (2x enabled)
> Aperture Size: 256 MB
> Sideband Addressing: supported (enabled)
> Fast Write: not supported

> Does this mean something is wrong in Whoville ?? If so, how can it be
fixed?
> Danke

> Verne

Could be off-base here, but you say you still have a stick of PC2700 in
there? Paired with what, PC3200?

If so, isn't the default FSB speed of that MB/CPU supposed to be 400mhz?
PC2700 is rated at 333mhz, so that might be your problem.

GL,

SB

by **V \** » Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:12:51

I thought of that as well..........but games like N2K3 runs pretty good, RBR
runs very smooth. It's only EA sports games and EA's Sims2 as well that just
do not want to run. If I took the PC2700 out, running on 512m ram, would I
end up with pretty much the same results. Been so long since I've been
running 1024 that I don't even recall if these games will run on 512.
Actually the PC3200 is rated at 333 on the stick. My question is why would
some games run just fine, while others run crappy with the same ram setup ??

by **V \** » Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:30:04

I just bought 2 sticks of OCZ ram. OCZ400512v25 PC3200
link to the ram ---
http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr_pc_3200_value_se...
Still have the same problem. I am unsure of how to set up things like ram in
bios, so I left it on auto. The frquency shows as 157.2MHz, FSB/DRAM-14. I
physically have the ram in slots 1 and 2, but on CPU-Z it shows a in slots 1
and 3. Anything else you need to know, drop a reply, I check often
enough. Rather annoyed that I can't play any games yet.

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:44:59

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr_pc_3200_value_se...

Interesting. You should be seeing 200mhz FSB I should think, as that's the
default for that setup (400/2). Something's amiss in your bios, I suspect
as 157.2 is low. Might be worth clearing the cmos and rebooting with the
new ram in and memory settings on auto. But definitely check out your MB
manual for bios settings and try posting in the forums at your board
manufacturers site - or even emailing their tech support in case you need to
manually override some settings. RAS can be a good source, but it's not
like going to THE source.

If your OCZ sticks are matched sufficiently, you should be able to run in
dual channel mode, which generally means running in slots 1&3 or 2&4. Check
your manual and look closely at the board slot labeling too, as some differ
(a recent experience of mine).

GL,

SB

by **V \** » Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:56:34

Ok, all is well in Ramland............I reset the sticks into 2 and 4 and
they are now running in dual mode. I did set the ram to auto in CMOS and all
is okay that way. I didn't clear CMOS, but am still thinking maybe nmot such
a bad idea, BUT I will just end up setting it all back again to where it is
now. This wouldn't make a difference resetting then booting with the new ram
under a reset cmos with everything as it was before?!?!

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:47:11

The idea is to clear any memory settings (like FSB speed) that might still
be affecting you even with the new ram installed. But all you need to do is
check it out with whatever utility you prefer to see if the memory's running
at the proper speed and timings. If so, then that's one less thing to worry
about causing you problems, and even if it doesn't solve your chop in some
games, it'll help everything else run like it should.

SB

by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:22:35

So...did you manage to get it fixed ?

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"When two or more people are gathered together in my name,
they shall perform the Parrot Sketch..."

--Our Lord John Cleese--

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