rec.autos.simulators

Like who ? Tim Worthman and Richard Scott.  AFAIK those were the only guys
that talked about racing sims before r.a.s., in the comp.sys.pc.games
newsgroup.
I never said I was the leader in my posts (excluding the june97 flop). Where
did I put that I was the leader ??? Tell me <g>

Ok so tell me if you know how r.a.s. got created ?? who ?? when ?? why ??
what ??  Get your point straigh if you want to tell to me that I am a liyer.
And why do you always comeback on all those old things.  <g>

Fran?ois Mnard,
Creator, rec.autos.simulators

With great respect,
May the downforce be with you,
Good race at the Brickyard,  (-o-)

ymenard on NROS, sponsored by
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
SimRacing director, AWPSS

- *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

Ok like you say tell me who is he really ? Tim Worthman ? Anybody else ??
Tell it. Get you point taken. <g>  I never said I was the
leader/meister/lord (that sounds cool)/topsimracer <g>

Fran?ois Mnard,
Creator, rec.autos.simulators

With great respect,
May the downforce be with you,
Good race at the Brickyard,  (-o-)

ymenard on NROS, sponsored by
http://www.awpss.com/
SimRacing director, AWPSS

- *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

And I never said to Micheal that he was a newbie.  It`s a bad replying, and
I was trying to replay the guy before him.  lol Like if I woulod insult
Micheal like that !

Micheal please clarify some things here. People are presently flaming me and
inventing some things I never said. <gg>

 Fran?ois Mnard,
Creator, rec.autos.simulators

With great respect,
May the downforce be with you,
Good race at the Brickyard,  (-o-)

ymenard on NROS, sponsored by
http://www.awpss.com/
SimRacing director, AWPSS

- *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

Btw why do you think ***-racing.com wants to make a article on my
simracing life (it will be publish before x-mas as I heard)....   Because
some people knows there that I am the creator <g> and you know I ain`t not
the psycho-guy, the hitler, the master lord or whatever people think I am.

Fran?ois Mnard,
Creator, rec.autos.simulators

With great respect,
May the downforce be with you,
Good race at the Brickyard,  (-o-)

ymenard on NROS, sponsored by
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
SimRacing director, AWPSS

- *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

Francois, in all seriousness, what colour is the sky in your world?

R.A.S. was most certainly _not_ moderated in June 1997. It is not an
easy thing to moderate a newsgroup, and requires everyone to change
their method of posting. Team moderation is even more complex. I'm not
sure what you hope to gain by saying this, perhaps if you tell enough
people enough times that you were the creator of r.a.s. then people
will believe it's true?

If someone wants to moderate r.a.s. then I personally am all for it. I
like the wider audience this group reaches but I cannot state enough
how much I prefer the ambience, camaraderie and atmosphere over on
CompuServe's Sports Sims forum. If moderating r.a.s. would be a step
toward that level of respectful, intelligent debate and exchange of
ideas then I would vote for it in an instant, heck I would even freely
give some of my time to moderate it.

I can hear the shouts now about "Freedom of Speech", but please, save
it. Freedom of speech is wonderful as an idealistic concept, but the
founding fathers didn't anticipate Usenet, where it also becomes
freedom from the consequences.

Cheers!
John

Why you would want to continue to embarass youself further by
compounding your lies is beyond me.

Joe

LOL! Good catch there, Eric. The guy's certifiable.

Joe

Joe

Eric already denied your story outright, and believe me Eric T. Busch
has one hell of a lot more creibility around here than you have in
your *dreams*. I'm pretty sure Micheal denied it too when you first
went insane last summer (or perhaps you went insane before that and we
just didn't know about it?).

Joe

Only in your pathetic dreams...Gerhard didn't even have time
to devote to any simracing, 'net activity, or whatever in June
you dumbass.  I challenge you to find any posts from him dated
for the month you claim.

After a serious car accident last year, his time has been devoted to
his company, his rehabilitation, and perhaps a snipet of sim-
programming...The last post I saw from him in r.a.s. was that he was
upset about some of the pirated utilities available on the 'net, and
this was back in May...

Boy, you can sure shovel it out.

Marc

Eh?...Why did you say this?  Adding fuel to the fire?  I don't get it.

Marc

Yeah, Michael Carver, who is that guy?! :)  I recall Michael being
around (and being helpful) when I first set foot in r.a.s., which was
a looooooong time ago.

As for attempts to change or moderate r.a.s., I would certainly be one
supporter of it. I wasn't to keen on the idea originally, but in the
last couple of weeks I've seen far too many messages sent purely for
the purpose of busing someone, and far too few for the purpose of
having any kind of discussion. Randy, Joe, Jeff, Jim, there's a few
managing to continue a reasonable discussion, but the S/N ratio
overall has taken a nosedive. Not the fault of CPR, but it really has
been one of the worst things ever for this newsgroup (eclipsed only by
a certain god...) :)

Cheers!
John

<snip>
% If someone wants to moderate r.a.s. then I personally am all for it. I
% like the wider audience this group reaches but I cannot state enough
% how much I prefer the ambience, camaraderie and atmosphere over on
% CompuServe's Sports Sims forum. If moderating r.a.s. would be a step
% toward that level of respectful, intelligent debate and exchange of
% ideas then I would vote for it in an instant, heck I would even freely
% give some of my time to moderate it.

% I can hear the shouts now about "Freedom of Speech", but please, save
% it. Freedom of speech is wonderful as an idealistic concept, but the
% founding fathers didn't anticipate Usenet, where it also becomes
% freedom from the consequences.

I think there is room for both a moderated and non-moderated newsgroup
for r.a.s.  There are good things and bad things about moderated
newsgroups.  One of the off-shoots of the discussion about splitting up
r.a.s., was the possibility of a moderated group to discuss development
and "enhancements" to simulation programs.  One that would allow the
developers a place to visit in relative peace.  I believe it was Ed
Martin from Papyrus who voiced his concerns about having a "safe zone"
for developers to participate.  Another alternative is to have a closed
listserv.  I really don't want to see r.a.s. become moderated, unless we
have two forums, one for "controlled" content and one in which anarchy
can rule.  I mean who would want to miss some of these greatly inspired
posts we've seen of late? <G>
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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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You have stated it several times. Frankly I don't really feel the need to
search
DEJANEWS either. I was always puzzled why you thought you were the leader
here. Going around making a big deal about "CREATING" a news group...

Wow (or something).

Of course I know (you idiot). I have been around here longer than you DUH.
Just because I haven't posted much lately doesn't mean that I am new here.
I voted on it and figured if you guys (more than one) wanted to make a RAS
newsgroup it sounded OK with me. I had no idea that several years later
we would be hit over the head again and again, just because you were
involved. It really isn't that big of a deal.

You wouldn't happen to be the person who was in charge of the first World
Circuit internet league would you? If not my apologies, it has been so long
ago.

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Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

Agreed 100% its way overdue!

Trev