rec.autos.simulators

by **Tim Deatherag** » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:50:10

I can hardly get N4 up to a decent speed because the rev-limiter kicks in
and therefore my Daytona Speeds suck,

Can the rev-limiter be changed or removed?? With the limiter you can't even
BLOW the engine up !!!!

Any suggestions???????????

THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim A. Deatherage

www.timdeatheragecpa.com

by **Wosc** » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:22:18

They call it a restrictor plate...they use them on big tracks to slow the
cars down...they restrict flow of gas to the engine...thus less RPMs...

JB

> I can hardly get N4 up to a decent speed because the rev-limiter kicks in
> and therefore my Daytona Speeds suck,

> Can the rev-limiter be changed or removed?? With the limiter you can't
even
> BLOW the engine up !!!!

> Any suggestions???????????

> THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Tim A. Deatherage

> www.timdeatheragecpa.com

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:49:26

edit edit edit....c'mon folks....your revs are limited by the plate
restrictor.
and quite closely matching the real thing...thats what a sim is supposed to
do
isn't it?
(I'm gonna get me the code for F15 SE III and mate the two jet engines with
the N4 cars....why not?)
dave henrie

> I can hardly get N4 up to a decent speed because the rev-limiter kicks in
> and therefore my Daytona Speeds suck,

> Can the rev-limiter be changed or removed?? With the limiter you can't
even
> BLOW the engine up !!!!

> Any suggestions???????????

> THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Tim A. Deatherage

> www.timdeatheragecpa.com

by **JTRI** » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:13:50

Actually it's not the plate he's talking about, it's the rev limiter that is in
the ignition box. This drops a cylinder to keep the engine below a set RPM.
(you can hear the engine mis-firing when you hit it) I'd say this is a valid
change as the teams choose the RPM limit. I seem to remember in the Daytona 500
the TV folks reported that a driver (don't remember who) was hitting the rev
limiter in the draft and they had him switch to the backup ignition box that
doesn't have a limiter.

JTRIV

> edit edit edit....c'mon folks....your revs are limited by the plate
> restrictor.
> and quite closely matching the real thing...thats what a sim is supposed to
> do
> isn't it?
> (I'm gonna get me the code for F15 SE III and mate the two jet engines with
> the N4 cars....why not?)
> dave henrie

> > I can hardly get N4 up to a decent speed because the rev-limiter kicks in
> > and therefore my Daytona Speeds suck,

> > Can the rev-limiter be changed or removed?? With the limiter you can't
> even
> > BLOW the engine up !!!!

> > Any suggestions???????????

> > THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > Tim A. Deatherage

> > www.timdeatheragecpa.com

by **Tony Jeste** » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:04:09

Right, but nevertheless, the real WC cars max RPM is 7000 at Daytona. Top speeds
are identical to N4. Didn't you see the race last Sunday?

-Tony-

> Actually it's not the plate he's talking about, it's the rev limiter that is in
> the ignition box. This drops a cylinder to keep the engine below a set RPM.
> (you can hear the engine mis-firing when you hit it) I'd say this is a valid
> change as the teams choose the RPM limit. I seem to remember in the Daytona 500
> the TV folks reported that a driver (don't remember who) was hitting the rev
> limiter in the draft and they had him switch to the backup ignition box that
> doesn't have a limiter.

> JTRIV

> > edit edit edit....c'mon folks....your revs are limited by the plate
> > restrictor.
> > and quite closely matching the real thing...thats what a sim is supposed to
> > do
> > isn't it?
> > (I'm gonna get me the code for F15 SE III and mate the two jet engines with
> > the N4 cars....why not?)
> > dave henrie

> > > I can hardly get N4 up to a decent speed because the rev-limiter kicks in
> > > and therefore my Daytona Speeds suck,

> > > Can the rev-limiter be changed or removed?? With the limiter you can't
> > even
> > > BLOW the engine up !!!!

> > > Any suggestions???????????

> > > THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > Tim A. Deatherage

> > > www.timdeatheragecpa.com

by **JTRI** » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:31:22

Yup, I saw the race and like I said, at least one driver needed to kill the rev
limiter by switching to the backup ignition box. If the setup is great, but in the
draft at the end of the backstretch you need to go 7050, it would be nice to have the
option of using a 7100 chip in the rev limiter or be able to turn it off. Otherwise
you loose a lot more power at 7000 than the plate drop-off, the limiter stops it
right there.

JTRIV.

> Right, but nevertheless, the real WC cars max RPM is 7000 at Daytona. Top speeds
> are identical to N4. Didn't you see the race last Sunday?

> -Tony-

> > Actually it's not the plate he's talking about, it's the rev limiter that is in
> > the ignition box. This drops a cylinder to keep the engine below a set RPM.
> > (you can hear the engine mis-firing when you hit it) I'd say this is a valid
> > change as the teams choose the RPM limit. I seem to remember in the Daytona 500
> > the TV folks reported that a driver (don't remember who) was hitting the rev
> > limiter in the draft and they had him switch to the backup ignition box that
> > doesn't have a limiter.

> > JTRIV

> > > edit edit edit....c'mon folks....your revs are limited by the plate
> > > restrictor.
> > > and quite closely matching the real thing...thats what a sim is supposed to
> > > do
> > > isn't it?
> > > (I'm gonna get me the code for F15 SE III and mate the two jet engines with
> > > the N4 cars....why not?)
> > > dave henrie

> > > > I can hardly get N4 up to a decent speed because the rev-limiter kicks in
> > > > and therefore my Daytona Speeds suck,

> > > > Can the rev-limiter be changed or removed?? With the limiter you can't
> > > even
> > > > BLOW the engine up !!!!

> > > > Any suggestions???????????

> > > > THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > Tim A. Deatherage

> > > > www.timdeatheragecpa.com

by **Thom j** » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:21:59

Btw what is a decent speed to you Tim? 13,000rpms?
Also: Read other posts and it will explain.. Cheers Thom_j.

| > I can hardly get N4 up to a decent speed because the rev-limiter kicks
in
| > and therefore my Daytona Speeds suck,
| >
| > Can the rev-limiter be changed or removed?? With the limiter you can't
| even
| > BLOW the engine up !!!!
| >
| > Any suggestions???????????
| >
| > THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| >
| > Tim A. Deatherage

| > www.timdeatheragecpa.com
| >
| >
| >
|

by **Thom j** » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:30:45

I never knew this JTRIV? If this is true it would be a nice feature to use!
I don't advocate alot of patch work aka changes for Papy but I like this
one!! Thanx for the info!!.....Thom_j.

| Actually it's not the plate he's talking about, it's the rev limiter that
is in
| the ignition box. This drops a cylinder to keep the engine below a set
RPM.
| (you can hear the engine mis-firing when you hit it) I'd say this is a
valid
| change as the teams choose the RPM limit. I seem to remember in the
Daytona 500
| the TV folks reported that a driver (don't remember who) was hitting the
rev
| limiter in the draft and they had him switch to the backup ignition box
that
| doesn't have a limiter.
|
| JTRIV

by **Michael Basde** » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:51:30

You have to lower the rev limiter on restrictor plate engines otherwise they
just run WAY too lean and will burn a piston.

Yes, this is accurate and representative of real cars. If you want to
change the limiter, be my guest. But don't be surprised when you lose the
motor at 7500rpm.

Mike
(Former Arca crew member)

P.S. 3Wide has a modified track.ini that removes the plate if you want.

> Actually it's not the plate he's talking about, it's the rev limiter that
is in
> the ignition box. This drops a cylinder to keep the engine below a set
RPM.
> (you can hear the engine mis-firing when you hit it) I'd say this is a
valid
> change as the teams choose the RPM limit. I seem to remember in the
Daytona 500
> the TV folks reported that a driver (don't remember who) was hitting the
rev
> limiter in the draft and they had him switch to the backup ignition box
that
> doesn't have a limiter.

> JTRIV

> > edit edit edit....c'mon folks....your revs are limited by the plate
> > restrictor.
> > and quite closely matching the real thing...thats what a sim is supposed
to
> > do
> > isn't it?
> > (I'm gonna get me the code for F15 SE III and mate the two jet engines
with
> > the N4 cars....why not?)
> > dave henrie

> > > I can hardly get N4 up to a decent speed because the rev-limiter kicks
in
> > > and therefore my Daytona Speeds suck,

> > > Can the rev-limiter be changed or removed?? With the limiter you can't
> > even
> > > BLOW the engine up !!!!

> > > Any suggestions???????????

> > > THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > Tim A. Deatherage

> > > www.timdeatheragecpa.com

by **Michael Basde** » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:52:23

Re-gear the car.

> Yup, I saw the race and like I said, at least one driver needed to kill
the rev
> limiter by switching to the backup ignition box. If the setup is great,
but in the
> draft at the end of the backstretch you need to go 7050, it would be nice
to have the
> option of using a 7100 chip in the rev limiter or be able to turn it off.
Otherwise
> you loose a lot more power at 7000 than the plate drop-off, the limiter
stops it
> right there.

> JTRIV.

> > Right, but nevertheless, the real WC cars max RPM is 7000 at Daytona.
Top speeds
> > are identical to N4. Didn't you see the race last Sunday?

> > -Tony-

> > > Actually it's not the plate he's talking about, it's the rev limiter
that is in
> > > the ignition box. This drops a cylinder to keep the engine below a set
RPM.
> > > (you can hear the engine mis-firing when you hit it) I'd say this is
a valid
> > > change as the teams choose the RPM limit. I seem to remember in the
Daytona 500
> > > the TV folks reported that a driver (don't remember who) was hitting
the rev
> > > limiter in the draft and they had him switch to the backup ignition
box that
> > > doesn't have a limiter.

> > > JTRIV

> > > > edit edit edit....c'mon folks....your revs are limited by the plate
> > > > restrictor.
> > > > and quite closely matching the real thing...thats what a sim is
supposed to
> > > > do
> > > > isn't it?
> > > > (I'm gonna get me the code for F15 SE III and mate the two jet
engines with
> > > > the N4 cars....why not?)
> > > > dave henrie

> > > > > I can hardly get N4 up to a decent speed because the rev-limiter
kicks in
> > > > > and therefore my Daytona Speeds suck,

> > > > > Can the rev-limiter be changed or removed?? With the limiter you
can't
> > > > even
> > > > > BLOW the engine up !!!!

> > > > > Any suggestions???????????

> > > > > THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > Tim A. Deatherage

> > > > > www.timdeatheragecpa.com

by **Thom j** » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:17:19

Thats what I did Michael.. It alwayz works for me! I am in the low
190s & with draft 196+ going into turn 3.. Nice....Real nice!! <g>

| Re-gear the car.
|
<snipped>

by **Tony Jeste** » Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:45:00

Doesn't make sense. Why not just put a 7100 RPM pill in the box to begin
with???

-Tony-

>Yup, I saw the race and like I said, at least one driver needed to kill the
rev
>limiter by switching to the backup ignition box. If the setup is great, but
in the
>draft at the end of the backstretch you need to go 7050, it would be nice
to have the
>option of using a 7100 chip in the rev limiter or be able to turn it off.
Otherwise
>you loose a lot more power at 7000 than the plate drop-off, the limiter
stops it
>right there.

>JTRIV.

>> Right, but nevertheless, the real WC cars max RPM is 7000 at Daytona.
Top speeds
>> are identical to N4. Didn't you see the race last Sunday?

>> -Tony-

>> > Actually it's not the plate he's talking about, it's the rev limiter
that is in
>> > the ignition box. This drops a cylinder to keep the engine below a set
RPM.
>> > (you can hear the engine mis-firing when you hit it) I'd say this is a
valid
>> > change as the teams choose the RPM limit. I seem to remember in the
Daytona 500
>> > the TV folks reported that a driver (don't remember who) was hitting
the rev
>> > limiter in the draft and they had him switch to the backup ignition box
that
>> > doesn't have a limiter.

>> > JTRIV

>> > > edit edit edit....c'mon folks....your revs are limited by the plate
>> > > restrictor.
>> > > and quite closely matching the real thing...thats what a sim is
supposed to
>> > > do
>> > > isn't it?
>> > > (I'm gonna get me the code for F15 SE III and mate the two jet
engines with
>> > > the N4 cars....why not?)
>> > > dave henrie

>> > > > I can hardly get N4 up to a decent speed because the rev-limiter
kicks in
>> > > > and therefore my Daytona Speeds suck,

>> > > > Can the rev-limiter be changed or removed?? With the limiter you
can't
>> > > even
>> > > > BLOW the engine up !!!!

>> > > > Any suggestions???????????

>> > > > THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> > > > Tim A. Deatherage

>> > > > www.timdeatheragecpa.com

by **JTRI** » Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:13:25

Isn't that what I said? Put a 7100 chip in? I just jumped in this thread to
differentiate between limits of the plate and limits of the rev limiter. Early
in the thread someone said that it was the plate that wouldn't let the motor
above 7000. Since the rev limiter is an item that can be changed by the crews
we should have some flexibility. If you went far the motor wouldn't last but we
often put an amount of tape on it at a speedway that will only last for the
short distance of a sprint race.

JTRIV

> Doesn't make sense. Why not just put a 7100 RPM pill in the box to begin
> with???

> -Tony-

> >Yup, I saw the race and like I said, at least one driver needed to kill the
> rev
> >limiter by switching to the backup ignition box. If the setup is great, but
> in the
> >draft at the end of the backstretch you need to go 7050, it would be nice
> to have the
> >option of using a 7100 chip in the rev limiter or be able to turn it off.
> Otherwise
> >you loose a lot more power at 7000 than the plate drop-off, the limiter
> stops it
> >right there.

> >JTRIV.

> >> Right, but nevertheless, the real WC cars max RPM is 7000 at Daytona.
> Top speeds
> >> are identical to N4. Didn't you see the race last Sunday?

> >> -Tony-

> >> > Actually it's not the plate he's talking about, it's the rev limiter
> that is in
> >> > the ignition box. This drops a cylinder to keep the engine below a set
> RPM.
> >> > (you can hear the engine mis-firing when you hit it) I'd say this is a
> valid
> >> > change as the teams choose the RPM limit. I seem to remember in the
> Daytona 500
> >> > the TV folks reported that a driver (don't remember who) was hitting
> the rev
> >> > limiter in the draft and they had him switch to the backup ignition box
> that
> >> > doesn't have a limiter.

> >> > JTRIV

> >> > > edit edit edit....c'mon folks....your revs are limited by the plate
> >> > > restrictor.
> >> > > and quite closely matching the real thing...thats what a sim is
> supposed to
> >> > > do
> >> > > isn't it?
> >> > > (I'm gonna get me the code for F15 SE III and mate the two jet
> engines with
> >> > > the N4 cars....why not?)
> >> > > dave henrie

> >> > > > I can hardly get N4 up to a decent speed because the rev-limiter
> kicks in
> >> > > > and therefore my Daytona Speeds suck,

> >> > > > Can the rev-limiter be changed or removed?? With the limiter you
> can't
> >> > > even
> >> > > > BLOW the engine up !!!!

> >> > > > Any suggestions???????????

> >> > > > THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> >> > > > Tim A. Deatherage

> >> > > > www.timdeatheragecpa.com

by **JTRI** » Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:26:47

Mike.. reread my msg.. not saying 500 more RPMs, in fact I seem to be fine
within the 7K limit. Just talking about rev limiter RPM -vs- plate RPM. One
holds you at 7K and the other will blow the motor if you go much above 7K. From
your ARCA days, is the rev limiter for 4th gear while racing? Doubtful as you
know the RPM of your racing gear and wouldn't hold it back with the limiter.
It's for running through the gears as the driver comes up to speed so the
driver won't wring it out in 3rd and burn a piston, right? How about the cup
driver who switched to the backup box with no rev limiter? Does ARCA run a
backup ignition box and does it have a rev limiter in case you cut your gear
close and the draft you are in is so fast that you hit the limiter?

Inquiring minds want to know :)

JTRIV

> You have to lower the rev limiter on restrictor plate engines otherwise they
> just run WAY too lean and will burn a piston.

> Yes, this is accurate and representative of real cars. If you want to
> change the limiter, be my guest. But don't be surprised when you lose the
> motor at 7500rpm.

> Mike
> (Former Arca crew member)

> P.S. 3Wide has a modified track.ini that removes the plate if you want.

> > Actually it's not the plate he's talking about, it's the rev limiter that
> is in
> > the ignition box. This drops a cylinder to keep the engine below a set
> RPM.
> > (you can hear the engine mis-firing when you hit it) I'd say this is a
> valid
> > change as the teams choose the RPM limit. I seem to remember in the
> Daytona 500
> > the TV folks reported that a driver (don't remember who) was hitting the
> rev
> > limiter in the draft and they had him switch to the backup ignition box
> that
> > doesn't have a limiter.

> > JTRIV

> > > edit edit edit....c'mon folks....your revs are limited by the plate
> > > restrictor.
> > > and quite closely matching the real thing...thats what a sim is supposed
> to
> > > do
> > > isn't it?
> > > (I'm gonna get me the code for F15 SE III and mate the two jet engines
> with
> > > the N4 cars....why not?)
> > > dave henrie

> > > > I can hardly get N4 up to a decent speed because the rev-limiter kicks
> in
> > > > and therefore my Daytona Speeds suck,

> > > > Can the rev-limiter be changed or removed?? With the limiter you can't
> > > even
> > > > BLOW the engine up !!!!

> > > > Any suggestions???????????

> > > > THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > Tim A. Deatherage

> > > > www.timdeatheragecpa.com

by **Dog-Le** » Wed, 28 Feb 2001 03:19:27

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Actually, no. That might be what Papy is using it for, but restrictor
plates don't limit RPM's. They limit horsepower.

What Papy has, by design or not, is in reality a Rev Limiter.

-Larry

> They call it a restrictor plate...they use them on big tracks to slow the
> cars down...they restrict flow of gas to the engine...thus less RPMs...

> JB

> > I can hardly get N4 up to a decent speed because the rev-limiter kicks
in
> > and therefore my Daytona Speeds suck,

> > Can the rev-limiter be changed or removed?? With the limiter you can't
> even
> > BLOW the engine up !!!!

> > Any suggestions???????????

> > THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > Tim A. Deatherage

> > www.timdeatheragecpa.com

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