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Yo!

It seems too me as if you did the right thing: nothing. Keep your line.
That's what is expected of you. If you feel generous, you can accelerate
slowly out of slower corners that leads into a straight, to let the faster
guys safely by. On the other hand: If the faster driver isn't skillfull
enough to pass you when you are holding your line, I see no reason for you
to pull over, except for the fact that if you let the faster guy pass, both
of you will be driving faster.

Don't give up online racing. The Vroc community will die without a constant
stream of newbies. Never mind arrogant hotshots. Some of them are probably
enjoying yelling at newbies. By doing so, they are bragging about their own
skills in a slightly camouflaged way.

Keep on GPL-ing. I'd love to see you online sometime.

Jon Andersen

Thanks to all those who gave me your words of advice and encouragement.  I
will work on appying that advice on my methods of letting others pass. I
probably was trying to get out of the way too much.  Seemed at one time I
moved to the right, he moved to the right and then same thing when I moved
to the left. That must have been why it looked like I was all over the
place. Next time I'll hold my line.
 I didn't expext to get so many responses to my post so soon. You've all
showed me that there is a alot of good people in the GPL community and maybe
I just ran into some out of the norm.  I'll look forward to seeing you all
online sometime. I may look into some of those F2 clubs as well.
 So thanks again,  I'm sticking with it. And who knows, maybe I'll be doing
the passing someday :-)

 Jim D.

Don't worry about what any of them say, if you were driving steady and
they're not good enough to pass you - whose fault is that? ;-)

Blue flag policy is:

Qualifying: on your out lap, let people past.
if you mess up your fast lap, let people past.
on your fast lap, take car of yourself,***others.

race: don't let anyone by unless they make you feel uncomfortable or unless
they're lapping you - if they're lapping you you should always let them by,
this isn't nascar.

In my opinion the safest way to let people by is to not do anything, wait
for them to get a good run on you and pull out, when they pull out, lift
off. Or if they go to outbrake you brake a little earlier once they've
pulled out.

Good luck bud :-)

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But is it a bomber squadron? ;)
GPL drivers may match the fighter pilot mentality better!

Try and stay predictable. If you are slower and out of shape in a corner, be
careful
to give the other guy passing you room. If you didn't see which side he's
passing
on, give him room on both sides if you know he's going past (after you blow a
corner you can assume he'll be going past ;)

If they are fast enough to lap you they will be much faster comng off corners
behind you, so be wary of trying to dart to the inside to let them by on the
normal line (outside). A much faster driver planning a pass will have a
very high closure rate on a new driver exiting the corner and he'll probably
be inside you passing with horrendous overtake by the time you are ready
to try and "help" him by ducking to the inside off the normal line.
So just make your normal best exit (or don't accelerate at max if you are
a journeyman rather than a newbie) and stay on the line and let him
whip around you himself. He's already planned his run on you and is
executing it anyway ;)

Just like Warbirds, there are some situation awareness (SA) tricks to be aware
of.
When the "one" guy roars past you online, don't assume that's all there is.
Often, online, you will only be shown three cars ahead of you and ONLY ONE
behind you. So you won't even have a chance to see the second and third
cars that may also be passing.  So use your WB 6th sense for someone on your
tail :)
Also, the last guy passing you might have you pop onto his screen without much
warning from the same effect. If you are doing something odd at that moment,
it makes it even harder for him to avoid you. Also, the mirrors have some
"interesting" blindspots. (Treat a GPL car like flying an F4F ;)

Just like in WB, have SA beyond just the current local tactical situation.
If the track is small, and/or if the top people on the grid have good times
near each other, you can be more than usually wary of the multiple
passing situation above, etc.

- Matt
WB: para
JG14

 Thanks para, err Matt. Lot's of helpful information there. Hopefully it
will help lead me to be able to hold my ground as well as I can confidently
say I can in WB's. We're a bomber squadron but we mostly fly fighters ;-)
 What I think I've been doing is trying too hard to get out of the way. But
I was doing so by moving to the least desirable line I was thinking he would
want to take. Which was probably a very unpredictable reaction from me in
his point of view. I think I may have made too sudden of moves to get out of
the way at times. What I'm going to try to do is primarily hold a straighter
line and not try as hard to get out of the way so suddenly. Be more
predictable. There are many skills in GPL I bet that I'm not even aware of
yet. Years into WB's, then some DOA  I was still learning and perfecting
things in the art of aerial combat. I Still am.  I'm sure racing GLP online
could be much the same.
 Racing off line doesn't stress the need to be as skilled at something you
would think would be just a simple pass. Clark never said a word about me
getting in the way. It seemed he never has a problem passing. I see online
racing is allot different.  I'm trying and my intentions are good. Maybe I
didn't belong in with that class of drivers yet. At least until I've become
more knowledgeable and predictable to allow them to pass. But I plan to
apply what I've learned from this lesson and all the replies soon enough.

See you in the unfriendly sky's but hopefully not so unfriendly track :-)

 Jim

Jim

The blue flag in 1967 was not a mandatory flag, but advisory. It is the
responsibility of the car lapping you to execute the move. By far the safest
thing you can do is stay on your line and only yield (By way of holding off
the gas), on the exit to a turn. Doing anything else usually presents
problems. If you move off line, it is common for the overtaker to do the
same thing at the same time and take you both out. If you brake early for a
turn, you may catch the following driver out and end up being rammed from
behind. He has no way of knowing that you are going to brake early.

  >  After the race I saw some of the guys talking about the guy with the
grey

By far the best policy. There is far too much intolerance shown to drivers
of lesser ability. The bottom line is that if you stick to yeilding on
corner exits, then any accidents will be the responsibility of the hotshoe.
If they cannot wait a few seconds to pass coming out of a corner or use
their skills to make a pass elsewhere, we could call their racecraft into
question. Being a fast driver doesn't automatically qualify a driver as a
good racer.

Some people would do well to remember that they were rookies once. We moan
and groan in this NG about the poor sales of GPL and the small number of
VROC but there are too many people ready to adopt the holier than thou
attitude. By far the best thing you can do is to look for a league. There is
always a safer bunch of people in league racing and most regulars will run
in at least one.

MS

Surtees never said a word to me either about being in his way.  He just
waits for either Parabolica or the Lesmos, whichever comes up first, and
does a '60's F1 version of the "bump & run".  Let's his car do the
talking for him!<g>

Don't pay those Morons any mind.  You belong out there just as much as
anyone else who bought this sim.  And you seem a lot more civilized than
that bunch, too.  Just work on being predictable.  And above all, Have
Fun!!

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I dont see why if your in a race on the same lap you should let a faster
person past. It iant only how fast you drive that wins a race it is how
skillfull you are. However if they have lapped you let them past at the
soonest convienet point

Sometimes a faster driver is behind you because he spun off somewhere...

Eldred
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