> Just as expected, Sierra/Papyrus needs another way to make a buck or two.
> Instead of releasing a patch that makes the game playable over the internet
> via Kali (http://www.kali.net) they instead choose to charge their players
> per-minute or per-hour to use the Sierra network or some branch of it to
> race. I guess its a marketing thing, do you charge yer current users of the
> game to use it over internet at a per-minute/hour rate or do you encourage
> non-Nascar owners to go buy the game from stores because its playable over the
> internet with unlimited time. Apparently the former method makes more money
> off current owners of the game. BTW, I havent purchased any of Papyrus's
> racing games yet and from the looks of it, probably never will.
Btw, I'm sure that whatever method of charging for the service was
probably defined well before the buyout. Did you think they were gonna
create such a service just cause we're a bunch of nice guys? Get real.
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Tim Wortman
NASSCAR '96 Series Director
Visit the NASSCAR '96 home page
http://www.webcom.com/twortman/nasscar/
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Second...Haven't you ever heard of latency. A racing sim needs a LOT
better send and recieve times than anyother game out there on this
market. You can't be going next to a guy at 200 mph and have him
bounce around the track. It just doesn't work. Sure with Descent, or
a Flight Sim, the latnecy requirement is not as stringent. If someone
warps, you just reaquire the target and continue. In a racing sim, if
the thing warps...you're game is over!
I'm not going to waste further time on this post... your're OBVIOUSLY
just looking to get flamed, and I'm sure there are others who would
gladly do it for me.
P.S. Papyrus has been working on this network a LOT longer than the
time it took them to get acquired by Sierra, and if you'd looked at
the other posts, instead of just firing off a shot across the bow-so
to speak, you would of noticed this is Open Beta testing...Beta...you
know trying to work the bugs out...They are not charging a cent to use
it, and therefore are not making any cash. A smart move because it
gets tested by dedicated racers (well most of em <G>). Plus I assume
it will hopefully *** a lot of people. But it is also a dangerous
move, because if people don't like it they won't come back when it is
paying. They could be locking out a lot of their market before it
even gets started. Maybe next time you'll think a few seconds before
you fire off about something that I think you don't have any clue
about.
just my $0.02
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Closed Beta Tester Hawaii Network - bsimpson online
"It's Always Darkest before it goes totally Black"
Yeah I WANT Papyrus to make ALOT of bucks! And as long as this new
service is halfway reasonable, I'll give them my money. For turnover
is what creates Progression in development and support! And as far as
KALI? Yeah nice concept, and for Very VALID reasons it's been put to
all of us here the reasons WHY it wont work that way. Kali has it's
problems too anyhow.
Unlimited access on the Internet? Ohhh so noone here pay's an ISP
each month for access to the Internet?? Nothings free pal.
And judging from the number of people calling to try this thing out,
posting positive messages about it. Have people with your opinion
outnumbered dramatically! Walk into your software store and COUNT
the number of copies of Driving Sim software on the shelves! The store
I frequent quite a bit is STILL selling copies of NASCAR like Crazy!
I guess it all boils down to what your into, None of us really wanted
to see this thing go thru with Papyrus and Sierra I've ***ed about
that alot more than Most in this very Newsgroup. But as long as
PAPYRUS continues to grow and produce BY FAR the most accurate
racing simulators made I'll buy and support them. As will Many others!
And I wish those guys all the best!
You sound like either a "need for speed" gamer or seriously
misinformed. It's a shame.
Go play doom.....
Take Care :)
Andy A
Just because someone happens to dislike NASCAR, is that any reason to
take a swipe at GP2? Coming from a series director it's a pretty unusual
stance.
NASCAR is a great game, but GP2 will undoubtedly be sensational and we
WILL have fun!
Cheers!
John
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\ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | /
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/ :|__|::|____:/ -=Ayrton Senna=- \.____|::|__| \
/_______:/ \::/ Racing is in my ***, it's part of me \::/ \._______\
Hmmm, you do know the throughput and latency rates of a LAN compared to
a 28.8 modem don't you? NASCAR is EASILY capable of being played over a
LAN, and if people want to take that further and try over the internet,
why not?
Personally I think LAN play under IPX is a must - it can't replace a
dial-up service like Hawaii, how could you get 32 computers and people
into one house!? - but it's a fabulous feature which is sadly missing at
the moment.
Cheers!
John
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_________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |_________
\ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | /
> :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | <
/ :|__|::|____:/ -=Ayrton Senna=- \.____|::|__| \
/_______:/ \::/ Racing is in my ***, it's part of me \::/ \._______\
Bummer .. we'll miss you up there
BTW ... there is no additional charges for the network above the
cost of the software during beta.
I'm usually the first to criticize the ill effects of capitalism and I
hate marketing. However, Nascar Racing is an independent product in my
mind. Hawaii is another thing completely. The latter does require the
former, but again there is no coercion. I don't understand why you are
upset. Why would Papyrus spend a year or so developing Hawaii and then
give it away free? As an incentive to purchase Nascar Racing? I agree
that it might entice _some_ people. But, a year or so worth of
development resources is pretty expensive marketing. (Especially when
one considers the small size of Papyrus.)
Nascar Racing is a fifty dollar package and is roughly 1.5 years old.
You seem to think that $50 buys perpetual support and rights to
anything that Papyrus develops that is connected with Nascar Racing.
I'm sorry, but you are misguided as to market realities. I have been
using Nascar Racing since it was first realeased. Sure, problems
exist...but, I wish every $50 I spend would give me the same return
that Nascar has.
Furthermore, your post implies that you have no idea how Hawaii is
accessed. If you had read the posts by Ed Martin/Rick Genter, you
would learn the latency of the internet is too great to play the game
effectively, or at all.
Mike.
P.S. Although I would love to use Hawaii, I cannot. I simply do not
have the money. Of course, I would welcome free access, but I realize
the amount of development work and risk that Papyrus has assumed in
developing the Hawaii Multiplayer Service. They have every right to
charge for using it.
> Just because someone happens to dislike NASCAR, is that any reason to
> take a swipe at GP2? Coming from a series director it's a pretty unusual
> stance.
> NASCAR is a great game, but GP2 will undoubtedly be sensational and we
> WILL have fun!
It doesn't amaze me, though, as bigotry is the biggest factor in
the greatest equation of them all, namely War.
One thinks bigotry is in the genes but it is not. It is the product
of the anti-urge to ponder the very nature of oneself.
Seinfeld would have termed the phenomen as "anti-u".
Anyone who has seen pictures of GP2 and read about it and has some
mileage in the *** world knows instantly that GP2 will be
something special.
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--- Terje Wold Johansen
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--- "I am your inferior superior." O.W.