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Jeff Krosnoff at Toronto

Justin Kova

Jeff Krosnoff at Toronto

by Justin Kova » Thu, 17 Jul 1997 04:00:00

They were three wide..the guy in the middle did not see Krosnoff, pulled
down onto him..wheels touched, other side touchewd the wall, and he took
off like a plane..sailed head long into catch fence, I think killing him
instantly....Pretty bad wreck, and I have not watched to many indy Car
races since then...

Oh..is it just me..or is IRL race dangerous to the head??
Damn..what...ten..15 head injuries..hmmmmmm

Justin

Hideki Uemats

Jeff Krosnoff at Toronto

by Hideki Uemats » Fri, 18 Jul 1997 04:00:00


> Also, I'm overlooking a Japanese driver whose name eludes me (an overall
> Daytona 24 Hrs. winner) killed in a Japanese F3000 crash around 1995.

His name is Hitoshi Ogawa.He won Proto Type Car Race at Monza.
The Japanese driver who won Daytona 24Hrs. is Toshio Suzuki.

Hideki Uematsu

JShell86

Jeff Krosnoff at Toronto

by JShell86 » Fri, 18 Jul 1997 04:00:00

It was a tree. I have it on tape. This is also a reason that they laid a
memorial at that tree. They'll probably talk about it at the race this
weekend.

Craig Hopki

Jeff Krosnoff at Toronto

by Craig Hopki » Fri, 18 Jul 1997 04:00:00

On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:57:44 -0400, TrenT Castanavaras


>How many people have died driver a car WITH fenders in recent years...as
>opposed to those without?

In the last two years I can think of two.   Nemacheck (sp) in a super
truck and someone in a race in 1996 in a Busch race.  
Mark Gil

Jeff Krosnoff at Toronto

by Mark Gil » Fri, 18 Jul 1997 04:00:00



-snip-

I think Schumacher and a few others talked about this in F1 last year,
but the feeling was that at the speeds the cars go, the bars couldn't be
strong enough for protecting anything more than a very light tap (which
probably wouldn't launch a car anyway.

 Mark 'Damon' Gill      "Only rock can save us now!"


 http://gillcomp.demon.co.uk/damon.htm        O==-O\

Dan Arnol

Jeff Krosnoff at Toronto

by Dan Arnol » Fri, 18 Jul 1997 04:00:00




> >> did Krosnoff die at the no. 8 corner?

> >The accident happened at the approach to turn three, just at the
> >underpass.

> >> how did his car get off the ground?

> >His wheels touched Stefan Johannsen's, sending him into an airborn
> spin
> >just before heavy braking would have been applied.  The***pit
> >***ly struck one of the concrete underpass supports during the
> spin.

> Are you sure it was an underpass support? My memory tells me it was a
> concrete or steel light pole. Not that it makes much difference,
> whatever it was should not have been outside the catch fence.

> Race safe all,

> Roy A. Beck


The tree that Krosnoff hit was not outside the fence, there was no fence
at that point on the track, although fencing has been added this year.

Dan Arnold

Dan Arnol

Jeff Krosnoff at Toronto

by Dan Arnol » Fri, 18 Jul 1997 04:00:00



> >This is a classic example of why i turn to NASCAR... I certain;y
> don't
> >wish to make light of the subject...the deaths were terrible and
> >unnecessary...it is so sad the way the racing community has lost such

> >great drivers in recent years....all in the name of speed. NASCAR
> racers
> >may not reach teh dizzying speeds of F1 or Indy cars all the
> time....but
> >put two Cup cars in that scenario..and all that happens is a small
> wreck
> >and a few bumps and bruises....

I hate to be the one to tell you, but NASCAR began as an open wheel
racing series, and it's most exciting series is open wheel, "By the
grace of God, and 700 Horsepower..." is the motto of the Featherlite
Modified Tour, the modifieds competed in the first Nascar sanctioned
race, on the beach in Daytona, they modified the cars, by taking off the
fenders, and have provided us with great racing since then.

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and John Nemecheck in the Craftsman Truck Series this year.also a few
short track drivers died in the Northeast last year, don't remember any
names, but I know one of them had a heart attack during the race, at
Thompson in CT.

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Someone said something about bars to prevent wheel to wheel contact,
they are called Nerf bars on the modifieds, Nascar already thought of
that.

Racing is not always safe, drivers know that, but it's a craving for
speed and competition, our ***. If ya can't take the danger, dont
race.

Dan Arnold

#13 ISTRS

Dennis L

Jeff Krosnoff at Toronto

by Dennis L » Sat, 19 Jul 1997 04:00:00

: did Krosnoff die at the no. 8 corner?

: how did his car get off the ground?

: Does anybody else here question the saftey of turn 8 at toronto?  way to
: tight, with hairpin trun going in at 175+ with short braking zone (due
: to high downforce setting).  Whats more, you can't see what is going on
: untill the last minute because trun 7 is high speed and blocks the view
: of 8.
: That corner needs a serious design overhall IMO.  I don't want to see a
: second death this year

That tradegy had nothing to do with the design of the track.  As a matter of
fact the design of the track saved the large number of spectators who were
in the area, from flying debris.  The truth is the accident happened because
a lot of cars were battling for a limited space; Jeff, was unfortunately
squeezed out, and on these street courses there is nowhere for the cars
to go.  

--
Dennis

Ace Rimme

Jeff Krosnoff at Toronto

by Ace Rimme » Sun, 20 Jul 1997 04:00:00


Yes, I'm not a regular Indy viewer but this one I did see. The first I saw
was a few cars rolling to a halt and the rear of a car lying on the tarmac.
Then I saw a moncoque and went :"Oh my God...."

The replay was really horrendous.

The crashes of Roland Ratzenberger and Ayrton Senna also are etched into my
mind for eternity.

But as to what can be done about cars getting airborne in Indy and F-1, the
fender options MIGHT look good, but this  could also lead to many a blown
tyre. Especially at the start, as someone bumping into another could force
the fender onto the wheel, and the ffender would then carve away on the
trye, leading to a blowout later on.

    "Fellas, stoke me a clipper,
               I'll be back for Christmas."

     "It's sharper than a page of Oscar Wilde whitticisms rolled into a
point,
              sprinkled with lemon juice and stuck into someone's eye."

                                         Ace Rimmer, Red Dwarf VII

Herbert Ackermans.


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