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Ok now THIS is weird!

DJSpeed

Ok now THIS is weird!

by DJSpeed » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 05:32:06

To wit - comparing my times at Monza in GPL (stock) and N2K3 (Noonan
conversion).  I find that I am 1.5 seconds faster, but not in the sim you
might think....my GPL Monza time to date is 1:32.728, and in N2K3 it's
1:30.200.  That's about 1.5 seconds difference there...

I'd have thought I'd be faster in GPL and not N2K3.  I had not run the track
in N2K3 before either, but obviously knew how to drive the track though my
GPL experience.

But I'm still puzzled as to how I am faster on that track in a stock car
rather then an open wheeler.

Things that make you go "hmmm....."

elrik

Ok now THIS is weird!

by elrik » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:08:18


Um .. .. .. 35 years, or so, of autotech advances , downforce,  etc.

Elrikk

Mike Beaucham

Ok now THIS is weird!

by Mike Beaucham » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:09:18

Maybe N2K3's track isn't exactly to proper scale?


Andi Col

Ok now THIS is weird!

by Andi Col » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:27:22

Hmm exactly, that's 2.5 seconds difference, even quicker/slower than you
thought.

Andi.

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Timmy Ferrel

Ok now THIS is weird!

by Timmy Ferrel » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:37:53

Try this for an experiment...
Get a GPL version of Indianapolis Motor Speedway...
The times will probably be in the 1:00 minute area for a 1967 GP car..
A good time in N 2003's version of the Brickyard (included in the game...
not a converted version) will be in the low .50 sec range.
I think that's just the increase in raw horsepower.
Timmy
Steve Whitt

Ok now THIS is weird!

by Steve Whitt » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:43:41


roughly 400+ horsepower, no wings and hard compound treaded cross-ply tyres
versus 700+ horsepower,downforce and soft compound slick tyres

steve

JP

Ok now THIS is weird!

by JP » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:21:21




> > To wit - comparing my times at Monza in GPL (stock) and N2K3 (Noonan
> > conversion).  I find that I am 1.5 seconds faster, but not in the sim
you
> > might think....my GPL Monza time to date is 1:32.728, and in N2K3 it's
> > 1:30.200.  That's about 1.5 seconds difference there...

> > I'd have thought I'd be faster in GPL and not N2K3.  I had not run the
> > track
> > in N2K3 before either, but obviously knew how to drive the track though
my
> > GPL experience.

> > But I'm still puzzled as to how I am faster on that track in a stock car
> > rather then an open wheeler.

> > Things that make you go "hmmm....."

> roughly 400+ horsepower, no wings and hard compound treaded cross-ply
tyres
> versus 700+ horsepower,downforce and soft compound slick tyres

> steve

  Yes, but the power/weight ratio about equals out hp differences.  I'd go
with Mike's idea; track creation differences.
  After all, it isn't real asphalt we're talking about here <g>
Biz

Ok now THIS is weird!

by Biz » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:08:25

Not at all weird really.

Twice as much HP, much better ***, some downforce as opposed to almost
none in 67 F1...and 35+ years of technical advances in brakes, etc...


John DiFoo

Ok now THIS is weird!

by John DiFoo » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:14:50

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:09:18 -0500, "Mike Beauchamp"


>Maybe N2K3's track isn't exactly to proper scale?

Should be the exact same scale, since it is just the
GPL version converted to NR.  Now someone told
me recently that the cars in NR had been scaled up
just a tad, and the new GTP mod will have more
realistically-sized cars...
John DiFoo

Ok now THIS is weird!

by John DiFoo » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:15:27

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:37:53 GMT, "Timmy Ferrell"


>> might think....my GPL Monza time to date is 1:32.728, and in N2K3 it's
>> 1:30.200.  That's about 1.5 seconds difference there...

>> I'd have thought I'd be faster in GPL and not N2K3.  I had not run the
>> track
>> in N2K3 before either, but obviously knew how to drive the track though my
>> GPL experience.

>> But I'm still puzzled as to how I am faster on that track in a stock car
>> rather then an open wheeler.
>Try this for an experiment...
>Get a GPL version of Indianapolis Motor Speedway...
>The times will probably be in the 1:00 minute area for a 1967 GP car..
>A good time in N 2003's version of the Brickyard (included in the game...
>not a converted version) will be in the low .50 sec range.
>I think that's just the increase in raw horsepower.
>Timmy

A good time at Indy '67 in a GPL car is around 53 seconds...
alex

Ok now THIS is weird!

by alex » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:57:19



... and only 1.5 seconds of difference.

Though in modern F1 they seem to manage to pull out 1.5 seconds every year
out of nowhere ;)

Alex.

JP

Ok now THIS is weird!

by JP » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:27:13




> > Not at all weird really.

> > Twice as much HP, much better ***, some downforce as opposed to
> > almost none in 67 F1...and 35+ years of technical advances in brakes,
> > etc...
> ... and only 1.5 seconds of difference.

> Though in modern F1 they seem to manage to pull out 1.5 seconds every year
> out of nowhere ;)

> Alex.

 Hehe, thinking the same thing; 35 years of tech, etc., only results in a
1.5 sec increase ?  I don't think thats the answer <g>
Biz

Ok now THIS is weird!

by Biz » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:00:51






> > > Not at all weird really.

> > > Twice as much HP, much better ***, some downforce as opposed to
> > > almost none in 67 F1...and 35+ years of technical advances in brakes,
> > > etc...
> > ... and only 1.5 seconds of difference.

> > Though in modern F1 they seem to manage to pull out 1.5 seconds every
year
> > out of nowhere ;)

> > Alex.

>  Hehe, thinking the same thing; 35 years of tech, etc., only results in a
> 1.5 sec increase ?  I don't think thats the answer <g>

If you read back the OP was actually off by a whole second, he must have
been using that new math..  ;)
JP

Ok now THIS is weird!

by JP » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:14:24








> > > > Not at all weird really.

> > > > Twice as much HP, much better ***, some downforce as opposed to
> > > > almost none in 67 F1...and 35+ years of technical advances in
brakes,
> > > > etc...
> > > ... and only 1.5 seconds of difference.

> > > Though in modern F1 they seem to manage to pull out 1.5 seconds every
> year
> > > out of nowhere ;)

> > > Alex.

> >  Hehe, thinking the same thing; 35 years of tech, etc., only results in
a
> > 1.5 sec increase ?  I don't think thats the answer <g>

> If you read back the OP was actually off by a whole second, he must have
> been using that new math..  ;)

  Yep, you're right; 2.5.  Still not much of an increase re 35 years of
tech, etc., imo.

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Biz

Ok now THIS is weird!

by Biz » Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:40:02

We're talking about completely different technology paths though.  If you
want to compare, it would have to be 67 F1, vs 04 F1, or 67 Winston Cup vs
04 Nextel Cup cars....this comnparison is apple to oranges, even if they are
35 years apart...

I'm sure you know that 3400lb cup cars with carburated engines, etc...not
that high tech

Truthfully, I'm surprised WC cars are actually faster, to me it seems about
right.  Anyone remember the times Gordon's cup car got around Indy when they
had that Willaims vs Dupont thing last year?










> > > > > Not at all weird really.

> > > > > Twice as much HP, much better ***, some downforce as opposed to
> > > > > almost none in 67 F1...and 35+ years of technical advances in
> brakes,
> > > > > etc...
> > > > ... and only 1.5 seconds of difference.

> > > > Though in modern F1 they seem to manage to pull out 1.5 seconds
every
> > year
> > > > out of nowhere ;)

> > > > Alex.

> > >  Hehe, thinking the same thing; 35 years of tech, etc., only results
in
> a
> > > 1.5 sec increase ?  I don't think thats the answer <g>

> > If you read back the OP was actually off by a whole second, he must have
> > been using that new math..  ;)

>   Yep, you're right; 2.5.  Still not much of an increase re 35 years of
> tech, etc., imo.


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