Does there exist an authentic pedal setup that one can simulate heel-toe
driving? Or perhaps one of the pedals out there that can be used this
way? I realize F1 and CART are into automatic shifting with no clutch,
but alas, in ameture racing this is not the case, and one thin i never
got a great grasp on was heel-toe and I'd love to be able to practice it
in my house for free. :) I doubt it really exists, but thought i'd
ask. Thanks.
--Scott
-John :|:
(snip)
.....and rally (since those are the only
remaining cars simmed that have an acutal H-pattern gearbox).
(unsnip)
Most of the cars used in major rallies now have the sequential
gearboxes.
--
Bruce
(at work)
"Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get
tired."
(Jules Renard)
> Does there exist an authentic pedal setup that one can simulate heel-toe
> driving? Or perhaps one of the pedals out there that can be used this
> way? I realize F1 and CART are into automatic shifting with no clutch,
> but alas, in ameture racing this is not the case, and one thin i never
> got a great grasp on was heel-toe and I'd love to be able to practice it
> in my house for free. :) I doubt it really exists, but thought i'd
> ask. Thanks.
> --Scott
> > Does there exist an authentic pedal setup that one can simulate heel-toe
> > driving? Or perhaps one of the pedals out there that can be used this
> > way? I realize F1 and CART are into automatic shifting with no clutch,
> > but alas, in ameture racing this is not the case, and one thin i never
> > got a great grasp on was heel-toe and I'd love to be able to practice it
> > in my house for free. :) I doubt it really exists, but thought i'd
> > ask. Thanks.
> > --Scott
> I always thought heel-toe referred to simultaneous braking and
> acceleration ??
> Does there exist an authentic pedal setup that one can simulate heel-toe
> driving? Or perhaps one of the pedals out there that can be used this
> way? I realize F1 and CART are into automatic shifting with no clutch,
> but alas, in ameture racing this is not the case, and one thin i never
> got a great grasp on was heel-toe and I'd love to be able to practice it
> in my house for free. :) I doubt it really exists, but thought i'd
> ask. Thanks.
> --Scott
URL for our TSW site is:
http://soli.inav.net/~thomas
Trev
Yes, except you rarely have room in the footwell to 'heel and toe', it's
usually the ball of the foot on the brake and the side of the foot dabbing
the accelerator.
Woohoo! I've been using the various IndyCar/NASCAR/GP games for
years as training for amateur sports car racing and the one thing that
was really lacking was clutch/heel & toe.
Proof that it works? I set one up for a friend when the SCCA
runnoffs first went to Mid Ohio. He'd never been there before and he
was fastest in both classes he runs on the first day of practice.
Now if we can get it to work with the Touring Car setup for N2...
> > > Does there exist an authentic pedal setup that one can simulate heel-toe
> > > driving? Or perhaps one of the pedals out there that can be used this
> > > way? I realize F1 and CART are into automatic shifting with no clutch,
> > > but alas, in ameture racing this is not the case, and one thin i never
> > > got a great grasp on was heel-toe and I'd love to be able to practice it
> > > in my house for free. :) I doubt it really exists, but thought i'd
> > > ask. Thanks.
> > > --Scott
> > I always thought heel-toe referred to simultaneous braking and
> > acceleration ??
> left foot is pressing the clutch you have your heel of your right foot
> on the brake and your toe is pressing the accelerater to rev the motor
> up inorder to keep the rpm's up? i could be wrong.. also the clutch
> wouldnt do anygood on nascar because the only time they use a clutch is
> while they are in the pits and on road courses.
> --
> Brian Motisko
> BMR Racing
> #96 Jolt Cola, Hooters Ford taurus
> http://members.aol.com/bmotisko/private/index.htm
> http://www.concentric.net/~motisko/nasra.htm
> > > Does there exist an authentic pedal setup that one can simulate heel-toe
> > > driving? Or perhaps one of the pedals out there that can be used this
> > > way? I realize F1 and CART are into automatic shifting with no clutch,
> > > but alas, in ameture racing this is not the case, and one thin i never
> > > got a great grasp on was heel-toe and I'd love to be able to practice it
> > > in my house for free. :) I doubt it really exists, but thought i'd
> > > ask. Thanks.
> > > --Scott
> > I always thought heel-toe referred to simultaneous braking and
> > acceleration ??
> left foot is pressing the clutch you have your heel of your right foot
> on the brake and your toe is pressing the accelerater to rev the motor
> up inorder to keep the rpm's up? i could be wrong.. also the clutch
> wouldnt do anygood on nascar because the only time they use a clutch is
> while they are in the pits and on road courses.
Anyways, after I wrote the post last night I got to thinking that I
would probably get away doing the heel-toe one-footed accel-brake with
almost any setup. I was feeling braindead last night anyways...oh well.
:)
Though I must say, a real clutch and shifting system would rock! Its
not realistic, but would be cool anyways.
--Scott
As a follow-up, The purpose of heel-toe was to match engine speed with the
input shaft speed of the *** during shifting in old racecars that didn't
have synchros. AFAIK, this is ancient history and totally unnecessary these
days. (Got this from an ex-Formula Ford Pilot/Skip Barber instructor).
Bill
--------
"NASCAR is the Professional Wrestling of Motorsport."
-Me-
I really wish that a good lower level racing sim would come out where
we could use stuff like this. If FS 98 can have you start out in a C
172, then move up 4 or 5 planes before flying 747 then we should get the
same thing in Auto-Sims. Start out in shifting go carts, dominate local
area, go off to a driver/mechanic school series, make a name for
yourself, get picked up by a FF2000 team, then up to Atlantics. This
would be great in the upcomming just anounced CART sim from papy, not to
hard to do either, just new 3DO body types and changes in weight, HP,
grip, at least a few tracks for each series, ect. To bad there are not
enough people out there who would want this to make it happen.
--
Neil Yeatman
Ajax, Ontario, CANADA
The described use for heel-toe is certainly ancient history and unnecessary.
However, there is an even more important reason for employing it. It brings
many advantages in providing the driver with better control during the
transition from the braking zone to ( and through ) the turn-in point. In a
car setup to take advantage of it, a driver can use heel-toe to provide
smoother weight transfer in coming off the brake and onto the power.
Especially with a rear-engined, rear weight bias, this becomes a critical
factor. ( I have spun my Alpine A610 into the sandtrap at Brands when I lost
concentration and didn't get this right :-)
Peter
This is most certainly still needed in the current Barber cars (as
well as a lot of other purpose-built racers). Their transmissions do
not have synchros and some form of rev matching is needed to come down
through the gearbox. Upshifting *can* be accomplished without the
clutch by merely lifting slightly on the throttle to unload the gears
and smartly shifting into the next gear. Failing to match revs
properly on a non-synchro car will result in the gearbox being stuck
in neutral until you get it roughly right.
---Jim
