rec.autos.simulators

by **Tom Farrel** » Sat, 04 Oct 1997 04:00:00

If your complaint is a lack of realism in the set up screens, what racer
would you recommend for the Playstation?

I can't think of anything superior in this respect...

I must say it amazes me that a game like Formula 1 '97 is getting such a
going over for what are minor deficencies when half the world is playing
***like Rage Racer and V Rally.

Formula 1 '97 has its faults but lets keep things in perspective.

Tom

> Hahaha!!! This game is worse than that. You have one dorky slider
> bar for 'downforce'. That is about the extent of the tweaking. You start
> your practices & qualifying on the track not the pit. So you MUST do
> a lap to be able to go in the pits and do whatever minimal tweaking
> is allowed. This is in no way a simulation. It is an arcade GAME.
> If you select ARCADE mode for easier driving, you get 3 laps no more.
> I happen to like the arcade screen which has your RPM & gear &
> speed. The more realistic mode has no tach. No mirrors... No
> nothing. You can stick you car 2 feet up the rear of another car
> and have no damage (with the damage turned ON).

> The cherry on the cake is the fact that all of your settings
> for joystick & graphics & race length ect must be redone
> every time you start the game. It always defaults to digital
> joystick and I have to change it to analog every time.
> I'll be taking this turkey back & I bought it at CompUSA.

by **Paul Kellet** » Sat, 04 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Hello Kevin and those following this thread,

> > How do you know they're slicks?

> Just before I pull out of the pit it changes to the work SLICKS on the
tyre
> selection and also the pit radio promtly says 'It's a bit slippy out
there
> weve got wet tyres waiting for you' and the handling is impossible.

I've had this problem as well, exactly as described above, don't know why
thought.
Also, has anyone seen a chequered flag yet?? I thought it was going to be in
this game?
Cheers
Paul

by **Jerry P. Danzi** » Sat, 04 Oct 1997 04:00:00

> Hello there,

> > > > Even with wet weather tyres, you will have traction and handling
> problems
> > > > if your suspension setting is too soft which is good for dry handling
> and
> > > > traction.
> > > > And vice versa for setting the suspension too hard makes it very
> quick in
> > > > the wet, but undriveable in the dry.

> > > I know that. Try driving in the wet on slicks you have o grip at all
> and you
> > > can't get enough speed up to get out of 2nd or 3rd gear.

> > Is this game that bad?!?!? You want SOFT for mechanical grip,
> > especially in the wet. Hard, stiff settings (stiff springs, lots of
> > packers, low ride height) are for smooth, fast tracks like Monza,
> > where ride height determines most of the car's downforce and thus,
> > cornering speed. If the car actually handles better with a stiff setup
> > in the wet, this game (it's certainly nowhere a sim if this is the
> > case!) is totally screwed up.

> Yes, unfortunately some of the car set up values in Formula 1 '97 are
> relaitve to a different world, and they ain't Planet Earth.
> Your descriptions for a car including Formula 1 car set up characteristcs
> are correct, but don't necessarily give the best handling, performance, and
> ultimately fastest lap times in Formula 1 '97.
> And I'm sure Psygnosis and Bizarre Creations will point out that in no way
> is it a simulation of the actual sport, IMO the term 'arcade simulation'
> comes to mind, just liek they did with Formula 1.
> While both Formula 1 and Formula 1 '97 feature oddball car characteristics,
> it still doesn't stop all of us enjoying what an immensly playable game it
> is.

> > Yikes, Psygnosis is really looking foolish on this one.....

> You must have missed their answers to such questions, check out Psygnosis'
> Developer Q & A with Bizarre Creations
> <http://racing.psygnosis.com/f197/devqa/index.html>, I'm sure it'll answer
> a lot of your queries.

> HIgh revvingly yours,

> Pasene R. Faifua.

> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~stuartc/Well, have they fixed the slowdown problems in the first game? This

rendered it unplayable for me...

by **Greg Cisk** » Sun, 05 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Probably Psygnosis F1. But I am talking with regards to the PC version.
I could care less what happens on a playstation.

Blame the genius who spammed all these newsgroups for the
misunderstanding :-)

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by **Greg Cisk** » Sun, 05 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Um... You may be right. However if you look on the psygnosis home page,
F1 '97 is the European release for the PC. Psygnosis F1 is the American
version. F1 97 may also be some sort of sequel for the playstation version.
I don't know. I was speaking only with regards to the PC version.

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by **maps** » Mon, 06 Oct 1997 04:00:00

>> If your complaint is a lack of realism in the set up screens, what racer
>> would you recommend for the Playstation?

>Probably Psygnosis F1. But I am talking with regards to the PC version.
>I could care less what happens on a playstation.

I still like NASCAR for playstation, Papyrus' version. Now there is
apparently the new EA Nascar for Playstation, which I was reviewed on
TNN's "NASCAR Shop Talk" or something similiar on TV last night. Jeff
Gordon made the passing comment that "It is just like the real thing.
It is very competitive... probably even more competitive than the real
thing- it is hard to [place? pass?]. The best thing is that I don't
have to be Jeff Gordon, I can be Dale Earnhart, or Dale Jarret, or
whoever I want to be." I'm not sure they paid him for that spot; there
were many Winston Cup drivers there, fooling around with the
pre-release or whatever at some function.

I'm not convinced... EA isn't my favorite company.

F1 is still a pretty good sim... but it isn't a "I'm the crew chief,
Driver, Pit-Crew, Owner" sort of sim like we're used to- it is really
just about trying to do fast laps. Driving physics are OK, but the AI
is lousy. But topping them all is the visual exactness to the real
tracks- in that it is, IMO, by far the best simulation on the market;
That makes it particularly fun to race before watching the actual F1
race on TV you really do feel like you know the course intimately.
With GP2, you know the courses in a sort of "theoretical way", can
deduce it, but with F1, you basically know where you are by sight.

Where is this new CART-sanctioned simulator I keep seeing ads for? It
is out? It is any good?

How is this spammed? F197 is a simulator, and it is for playstation.

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>> I can't think of anything superior in this respect...

>> I must say it amazes me that a game like Formula 1 '97 is getting such a
>> going over for what are minor deficencies when half the world is playing
>> ***like Rage Racer and V Rally.

Of course. I haven't seen the latest release yet. But I've noticed in
general that a large part of F1 is all about giving a good "going
over"- I;ve never seens a sport where so much energy is oriented
toward criticizing. Sort of facinating; very ***ic.

Where is it out yet? I only read about it in the UK Playstation mags.

by **Markus Daberk** » Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:00:00

>>>> > Even with wet weather tyres, you will have traction and handling problems
>>>> > if your suspension setting is too soft which is good for dry handling and
>>>> > traction.
>>>> > And vice versa for setting the suspension too hard makes it very quick in
>>>> > the wet, but undriveable in the dry.
>>>> I know that. Try driving in the wet on slicks you have o grip at all and you
>>>> can't get enough speed up to get out of 2nd or 3rd gear.
>Is this game that bad?!?!? You want SOFT for mechanical grip,
>especially in the wet. Hard, stiff settings (stiff springs, lots of
>packers, low ride height) are for smooth, fast tracks like Monza,
>where ride height determines most of the car's downforce and thus,
>cornering speed. If the car actually handles better with a stiff setup
>in the wet, this game (it's certainly nowhere a sim if this is the
>case!) is totally screwed up.

Personally I think the manual is wrong !! Nothing more. The car handles
as it should

Markus

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by **Markus Daberk** » Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:00:00

>I must say it amazes me that a game like Formula 1 '97 is getting such a
>going over for what are minor deficencies when half the world is playing
>***like Rage Racer and V Rally.

The biggest problem in VRally is, that the computer cars always have
less high speed than you have. This makes this game to easy, while F1
is really challenging.

Absolutely.

Markus

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by **Stephen M Randerso** » Thu, 09 Oct 1997 04:00:00

> >I must say it amazes me that a game like Formula 1 '97 is getting such a
> >going over for what are minor deficencies when half the world is playing
> >***like Rage Racer and V Rally.

> The biggest problem in VRally is, that the computer cars always have
> less high speed than you have. This makes this game to easy, while F1
> is really challenging.

> >Formula 1 '97 has its faults but lets keep things in perspective.

> Absolutely.

> Markus

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have you tried playing v rally on the ace difficulty settings. That makes
the oponents a bit quicker but they still accelerate a bit slowly after
bends.

rec.autos.simulators

F1'97 first impressions and qualify problems

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F1'97 first impressions and qualify problems

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