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Mikkel Gram-Hanse

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:34:10

Hi Joachim
It was not your post, but the
"Hear hear.. the 'excluding' system on that site is a bit of a nuisance. It
should be more 'inclusive', imho."
from Ruud that made me answer.

At least I think we got the question answered ;)

Mikkel



> Thanks for the explanation, Mikkel.

> As as opposed to Andre I think there's nothing to get annoyed about. A
> question was asked in polite words, and an opinion was given. No reason to
> be annoyed.

> Achim



> ...
> > Obviously this setup is intended to make people spend
> > that 1 minute to sign up ...because we think that once you
> > have signed up you are more prone to actively joining the
> > discussions and thats what the forum is all about. We want
> > to make people join the discussions, not just look at the pretty
pictures
> ;)

Steve Blankenshi

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by Steve Blankenshi » Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:21:54


> > Do you have the url of that replay for me please?

> > Andre

A bit better this time; page three for the 3:06
http://forum.racesimcentral.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=568662

And page five for the 3:04
http://forum.racesimcentral.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=573381

On second inspection (from the in-car this time, comparing apex speeds and
braking points to my own), the grip levels don't look that much different
than std.  But if they're not, the driver definitely has a light right foot.
It's a clean lap with very little sliding or wheelspin; methinks not easy
with 600+ hp... ;-)

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 03:29:59


>>Hear hear.. the 'excluding' system on that site is a bit of a nuisance.
> It takes less than a minute to sign up..... once and for all.

Sorry Mikkel, but...

Nope it doesn't. Every time I click a link and see another web page, it
logs me out by itself. Sometimes I don't even go anywhere else and
suddenly I'm "not logged in".

It's a nuisance. All those 'login' sites are a nuisance. A big nuisance
with bells on.

Fine, but if I just wanna click a link to your site if it's mentioned
here and can't just look at a pretty picture because "i'm not logged
in", that's a nuisance.

I don't use (or trust) cookies, so yeah, it may be fair but it's still a
  nuisance.

Q.e.d.

I'll do it but it's still a nuisance of a (dis)service. And personally,
I don't like nuisances, especially if they can be avoided.

I like your site, don't get me wrong. It's a credit to the simracing
community. But that "you're not logged in" message every friggin' time,
that part is and will forever remain a nuisance.

Regards, Ruud

Malc

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by Malc » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 04:54:21


Just allow the damned cookie.

You're a acting like a ***y fool. Stop whining. This is not some
multi-national company you're complaining about, this is a free service run
by like-minded enthusiasts.

If you want to be cautious with your internet settings then fine, but don't
complain when your self-imposed restriction causes you a tiny bit of
inconvenience.

I understand your security sentiments, personally I disable active scripting
in IE, but if there's a site I want to see badly enough that needs it, I'll
enable it.

This one's worth a cookie.

Malc.

Joe6

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by Joe6 » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 04:56:43

On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:09:16 +0100, "Mikkel Gram-Hansen"


>wow.... 'nuff said !
>http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56634&perp...
>pagenumber=7
>(this shows the first incar shot from the coming "Ford GT40 for Grand Prix
>Legends" mod, I'm beginning to believe this could become something magical

Will it actually drive like a GT car? Or will it drive like a 67 F1
car and just look like a GT?
Carl Ribbegaard

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by Carl Ribbegaard » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:13:18


Seriously, cookies are not dangerous.
As for your personal privacy, I think your IP adress, and webserver-logs
(not to mention your ISP's logfiles) reveal far far more than a persisted
variable (only readable from that very page) in a textfile.

:-)

Andre Warring

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by Andre Warring » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:08:18

On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:21:54 -0500, "Steve Blankenship"


>On second inspection (from the in-car this time, comparing apex speeds and
>braking points to my own), the grip levels don't look that much different
>than std.  But if they're not, the driver definitely has a light right foot.
>It's a clean lap with very little sliding or wheelspin; methinks not easy
>with 600+ hp... ;-)

Thanks, very interesting to see these replays.. I can't wait :))

Andre

Andre Warring

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by Andre Warring » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:11:25



<snip>

Instead of writing this post, you could have used the same time to
register to solve all those big nuisances with bells on.

Andre

Mikkel Gram-Hanse

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:34:21

Without cookies it is a nuisance.
No reason to disable cookies, other than principle of course and when you
stick to your principles you gotta expect to pay the price ;)

I delete my cookie cache once a month or so, just out of principle and each
time I remember how many places I have to log in again.... cookies are good
mmm'kay :)

Mikkel

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:54:54


>>I don't use (or trust) cookies, so yeah, it may be fair but it's still a
>>  nuisance.
> Just allow the damned cookie.

No. I don't use (or trust) cookies, so I won't use them. It's my pc
(well, Mac really) and I'll (dis)allow what I damn well please.

If there was no reason, this ***y fool wouldn't have anything to whine
about. Ergo, it seems there is.

I know. And their "login" system is flawed & a nuisance nevertheless.
What do you want, should I proclaim things are just fine (and not a
nuisance to me) when I feel they are not, just because it's free?

Like I said, I think the site is fine, just having to (re)"login" every
time because the site decides by itself you're "logged out" (again) is a
nuisance.

There is no real technical reason to use cookies or login systems,
period. The Web was conceived (on a NeXT) as a system for free flow of
information. If they want me to "login" (and again, and again) every
time just because I clicked on a link and ended up on another web page,
fine, just don't expect me to not judge it for what it is: a nuisance.

No site is worth risking your privacy for, imho. I trust (and like)
Mikkel's site just fine, I just don't trust cookies and I won't activate
them every time for just one site.

Regards, Ruud

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:12:14


>>I don't use (or trust) cookies, so yeah, it may be fair but it's still a
>>  nuisance.
> Seriously, cookies are not dangerous.

Sure. I'll just use one quote from vnunet.com:

I know *most* cookies are innocent. Mikkel's are probably perfectly
innocent. I just don't trust them in general, because there will always
be companies or organisations who will abuse them. So I turn them off by
default, and for a reason.

Possibly. But that doesn't mean I should trust cookies anyway.

Besides, I'm a Mac user - in general, I'm not likely to get marketed
and/or hacked anyhow  ;)

Regards, Ruud

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:14:09


>>I like your site, don't get me wrong. It's a credit to the simracing
>>community. But that "you're not logged in" message every friggin' time,
>>that part is and will forever remain a nuisance.
> Instead of writing this post, you could have used the same time to
> register to solve all those big nuisances with bells on.

Oh, I registered long ago. And it still causes the problems described
above.
It logs me out seemingly at random, even after having logged in (which
is a slight nuisance in itself).

Regards, Ruud

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:21:49


> Without cookies it is a nuisance.
> No reason to disable cookies, other than principle of course and when you
> stick to your principles you gotta expect to pay the price ;)

Sure, just don't expect me to not complain if it's a nuisance  :)   just
because I wanna protect my privacy a bit (and so should others, btw... A
lot more data is probably being gathered about us than we'd like to
know, and probably not for all the right reasons.)

Sorry Mikkel, I'm afraid they're not (see my quote from the European
Parliament a few postings ago) although I think *yours* are just fine  ;)

It's just that I don't wanna turn them on and off the whole time, and my
cookie managers so far don't seem to help either (Mozilla just gives a
choice between 'enable' or 'disable') and even if I state that your site
*can* set a cookie, it regularly seems to log me out at random, mostly
after clicking a link which lands me on another web page. Dunno why it
happens but it sure is a nuisa... well, you get the picture  ;)

Regards, Ruud

Jussi Koukk

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by Jussi Koukk » Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:15:27


wrote something like this:


>> Just allow the damned cookie.

>No. I don't use (or trust) cookies, so I won't use them. It's my pc
>(well, Mac really) and I'll (dis)allow what I damn well please.

So by disallowing cookies, you're allowing this to be a nuisance (to
you)... your choice, your loss ;-)

As said before on this thread, cookies are the least of your problems
if you're worried about your privacy on the net.
--
- JKo -

Malc

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by Malc » Thu, 23 Jan 2003 03:27:52



> > Just allow the damned cookie.

> No. I don't use (or trust) cookies, so I won't use them. It's my pc
> (well, Mac really) and I'll (dis)allow what I damn well please.

Yes. I said the very same thing in my post. You snipped it. You can do what
you please with your own computer, but don't complain when your self-imposed
restriction creates a problem. You missed the point.

Why can't you just allow cookies for sites you trust?

You've progressed to 'blithering idiot' level now. Did you quote that ***
from a helpfile?

Here's a sentence that makes sense:

You state you have a problem, you know of two ways to fix it, but instead of
choosing the solution that requires a very small amount of effort on your
part (log in manually), you choose the solution that requires a large amount
of work by someone else (to redesign their site) just so you can have a
slightly easier life.

That's a pretty good definition of WHINING.

No, there's no need to say it's fine, just don't complain about it when you
have a workable solution already. You get what you pay for.

Looks like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place then.

Malc.


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