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I just took the GTR demo2 for another fun run after a day with NSR and all I
can wonder is whether Tiburon (sp?) is embarrassed for the sad state of
NSR?"  Think about it for a second.  We have a bunch of talented modders
(Simbin) that can take an "older" game engine and do the great things with
it that theyve done compared to the high dollar supposed "cutting edge"
technology of EA and its "not so great" attempts a simulating Nascar.  Side
by side it isnt even close.  You can clearly see Simbin are Racers at heart
while Tiburon are business men making games.

Another hats off to ya Simbin (and a shake of my head to you Tiburon).

Looking forward to the international release next month.  

Mitch
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I gotta tell you, the more you work with NSR the better it gets.

But it ain't no GPL :)

-Larry

Why on earth should they be embarassed???

Nascar SimRacing is the new definitive Nascar simulation.

I really have to wonder if some of you making these comments have even
tried it, it leaves NR2003 for dead in nearly every way.

Rather, EA should be applauded for producing the finest Nascar sim to
date.

Really? How are the mirrors workin for ya in NSR? Spotter? Last time I
checked these items worked out of the box for all Papy sims.

NSR is a 3/4 finished product, and nothing more. And btw, if NSR
leaves NR2003 in the dust, I would suppose all leagues are making the
move to NSR starting next week right?

Most will move so fast you won't even notice the transition. :)

Bub, you are seriously entertaining, and don't let anyone think it's not
appreciated.  Keep up the good work!  ;-)

It is certainly not my intention to provide entertainment, I'm just
stating the facts as I see them.

It may surprise you but plenty of '***' race simmers are very
impressed with this latest EA Nascar effort and some very well
respected memebers of the community are writing glowing reviews.

I know you may find it a little hard to swallow that your 'beloved'
papy sims have finally been outdone but that is indeed the reality of
the situation my friend.

Beloved? You bet, because NR2003 is still the benchmark. Am I blinded
by loyalty to Papy? Not in the least, or I wouldn't have shelled out
the money for the EA title.

I'm ready for a change...I think everyone is. But this one still has
work to be done to surpass what we currently have...my friend.

Thanks very much for playing - please try again!

Yes I can't stop laughing, please tell me all of these "top" drivers and
leagues?

Which leagues are planning to move immediately?  I haven't see any mention
it yet and ours is certainly waiting as no members are interested at this
point.  Even OLR a big supporter of NSR is not switching until a patch comes
out to address a number of multiplayer problems.  As is from what I read it
would be pretty hard to use this for a league due to the issues.

"The new definitive Nascar simulation"? Are we talking about the same
product that doesn't support AA? The one in which I spent all afternoon
yesterday scouring 6-10 sim racing websites trying to find a handful of
tweaks? The one that has a spotter that is worse than the "outdone"
NR2003? The one with car models that look like they came from 1988?

If I could overlook the horrible look of the tracks without AA, it
would be closer. How can a game that it 2 years old still offer
clearer, crisper and more detailed images at higher FPS than one that
SHOULD be taking advantage of the better GPU's out there? I'm not using
a slouch of rig either. If I could place side by side full screen
images of both games, (no enhancements, no cropping or resizing) at the
same screen res, color depth and max details, the easy winner will be
NR2003.

I won't go so far as to say I hate NSR, because there is a lot left to
explore. But side by side,  I still give a good sized lead to NR2003.

Out of curiousity, (and I recall that you only have the demo), what
areas do give NSR the edge in?

You keep repeating this statement here in this group like it's your life's
mantra, yet fail to back it up with facts or comments where you think
NSR excels all other previous NASCAR sims. Care to enlighten us in
this regard, please?

Cheers & looking forward to hear from you,

uwe

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Ya and its a complete new sim too right? Not just an update of Thunder?

Look in the 2005_NEXTEL_Cup.pm file with notepad:

// Nascar Thunder 2004 Suspension File - Developed By Doug Arnao 05-21-03
// Revised 5/21-03 A-Arm placement to reflect a more relaistic in-garage
static camber setting
// Revised 5/22/03 Shortened Torque Tube length to 60 inches (was 100")
// Revised 6/06/03 Incresed length of steering arm

...

At the moment, both the pro and the con side seem to refrain from providing any
tangible considerations and facts.

I'm currently a big fan of rFactor and GTP, I'm simply not an oval racer, but
how about a little a treasure hunt in NSR. There's something in it which I have
not seen mentioned here at all. It's in the physics, and I find it quite
remarkable. Anyone? ;-)

Achim