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ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

Mar

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Mar » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:23:58

Guys,
My exchange gets ADSL enabled in a few weeks and work is taking my
ISDN away from me.  I'm gonna have to struggle in my league with 56K
dial up (if the wife even allows it) for 4-6 weeks :-(

BT have an offer of free line activation and reduced cost for
*external* modem and 2 microfilters (50).

Please bear with me - trying to figure out this ADSL lark is giving me
a headache (or is it that squeaky MOMO?)

Given that connected to my PC are numerous usb devices, including
Wheel, USB Shifter, AL Perf. Pedals (never mind the printer, scanner,
camera...) would I be liable to grief with a usb modem on top of that?

Am I better off finding my own hardware and going internal?

I couldn't really give a stuff about surfing and all that, I just want
as stable and speedy a connection as I can manage for racing
N2K2/N2K3.

Getting a straight answer outta BT is pretty difficult.

Regards,

Mark

Schoone

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Schoone » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:27:26

I would use a NIC instead of USB.  All the USB devices are going to share
the same bus so best to get your net connection on a true NIC instead of
shared on USB IMHO.


Some Call Me Ti

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Some Call Me Ti » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 03:10:29

Get yourself a router with a firewall (there's a 3com about 150 squid) and
connect to it via network card. You definately need a firewall when using
adsl otherwise your're opening yourself up to a whole work of hate. You
could use a usb monem but then youd' need to runa software firewall such as
zone alarm, and they're a right pain as you'll have to reconnect to your isp
every time you turn your pc back on. Go to www.adsguide.co.uk for loads of
really good info..

Good Luck

Some Call Me Tim

Glenn Rea

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Glenn Rea » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 03:20:18

www.adslguide.org.uk



Andrew Col

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Andrew Col » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 03:21:12

I agree, a router has a lot of advantages. There is a lot of good stuff at
www.adslguide.org.uk (I think that's what he meant below). I use a Netgear
DG814 which has just come down to about 117.00 from www.dabs.com.

Oh and take a look at www.plus.net as an ISP steer clear of the big boys at
the moment they'll rip you off sooner or later, I'm sure.

Andi.



Malc

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Malc » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 04:01:52


What makes you say that?

Malc.

Russell Spearin

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Russell Spearin » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 04:01:52

Hi Mark,

I have BT Broadband with the USB modem. I currently have a printer, camera,
***, MOMO wheel and ADSL modem all connected to my USB ports with no
problems at all. Lets face it, when you are racing, you're not printing,
scanning, uploading pictures from your camera etc, so all the bandwidth is
available for the ADSL modem and, if applicable, wheel/pedals. I race online
with GPL through Vroc and F1 2002 with no problem at all. I don't even
bother turning the other USB devices off or disconnecting them because if
they are on but not actually being used then they are not using any of the
available bandwidth.

However, you do need to be carefull about your USB controller. I have an
Abit KT7 motherboard, and had no end of trouble with the onboard USB ports.
So I purchased a USB controller card based on the OPTI chipset (about
10.00) and have never looked back. It appears that the VIA chipset my
motherboard uses (KT133) is notorious for USB problems. The later VIA
chipsets (KT133A onwards) are supposedly ok.

I am very pleased with the Home 500 BT broadband system. To go for the
ethernet connected modem I think you would have to go for the Business 500
package from BT and this is much more expensive.

Hope this helps you make a decision

Russell


Andrew Col

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Andrew Col » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 05:00:21

Past experience. How many of the big boys are even trying to match the
prices of the smaller companies out there. How much do AOL and BT charge for
broadband and how much do Plus and Zen charge for exactly the same service?

Andi.




> > Oh and take a look at www.plus.net as an ISP steer clear of the big boys
> at
> > the moment they'll rip you off sooner or later, I'm sure.

> What makes you say that?

> Malc.

Mark Daviso

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Mark Daviso » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 05:29:19


They look very reasonably priced.  What good reason would I have for going
with a router as opposed to a PCI modem?  Is the connection quality any
better or is the advantage merely one of network connection capability?

Cheers,

Mark

Alex Camero

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Alex Camero » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:57:08


I've been using a BT openworld with a USB modem for 2 1/2 years without any
big problems. It is in essence a software modem, it does hit framerates
especially with VIA chipsets, I had a 15% drop in 3D Mark with it plugged
in. But it is perfectly good for online racing, I've done many long N4/2002
and full GPL GPs without problems.

I have recently upgraded to a router (Thomson Speedtouch 510 v4) which has
lowered my pings, so I'd probably recommend that (or the 530 if you only
need one network port) if you have 100 to spare and you really need the USB
ports.

http://www.dsl-warehouse.co.uk/acatalog/ST510v4.html

Alex Camero

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Alex Camero » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:23:36




> > I agree, a router has a lot of advantages. There is a lot of good stuff
at
> > www.adslguide.org.uk (I think that's what he meant below). I use a
Netgear
> > DG814 which has just come down to about 117.00 from www.dabs.com.

> > Oh and take a look at www.plus.net as an ISP steer clear of the big boys
> at
> > the moment they'll rip you off sooner or later, I'm sure.

> They look very reasonably priced.  What good reason would I have for going
> with a router as opposed to a PCI modem?  Is the connection quality any
> better or is the advantage merely one of network connection capability?

> Cheers,

> Mark

A USB/PCI modem is a very insecure way to connect your PC to the internet
24/7, even if you're using a software firewall it is still running on top of
the operating system and inherently insecure.

A router even without a firewall uses NAT which blocks all unsolicited
incoming traffic unless you've specifically opened a port for a server or
whatever, so your PC/network is far more secure from unsolicited external
connections.

But, if you're not to paranoid about security and only have one PC to
connect there probably isn't much justification for the extra cost of a
router over a PCI modem.

Malc

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Malc » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:33:24


service?

I thought you were suggesting Plusnet were one of the 'big boys' ;-)

I'm inclined to agree with avoiding AOL and BT, they don't seem to offer
anything other than the ability to remain solvent imo.

Plusnet have had problems (and some bad press) about users 'abusing' their
FRIACO bandwidth, but no ADSL problems. I guess a smaller ISP is more likely
to be affected by that sort of thing.

I have ADSL (512/256) with Plusnet with a Router (Solwise SAR110). I went
with the self install package & Plusnet supplied the router and two
splitters for less than it would have cost me to get the parts individually.
The Customer Support line is an 0845 (local rate) line too, which is handy.

I get pings of around 30 to UK based servers on VROC, and the connection is
very stable imo.

Malc.





> > > Oh and take a look at www.plus.net as an ISP steer clear of the big
boys
> > at
> > > the moment they'll rip you off sooner or later, I'm sure.

> > What makes you say that?

> > Malc.

Dan_Leac

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Dan_Leac » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 18:41:51

Ive used adsl for a yr and a half now... no firewall, no virus checker and
not a single attack/problem whatsoever. I think ppl overplay the threat to
dsl users. Having worked for an isp ive seen the level of attacks on
different conn configurations, and i think a firewall is unnessesary
..except for the paranoid :)
 dan





> > > I agree, a router has a lot of advantages. There is a lot of good
stuff
> at
> > > www.adslguide.org.uk (I think that's what he meant below). I use a
> Netgear
> > > DG814 which has just come down to about 117.00 from www.dabs.com.

> > > Oh and take a look at www.plus.net as an ISP steer clear of the big
boys
> > at
> > > the moment they'll rip you off sooner or later, I'm sure.

> > They look very reasonably priced.  What good reason would I have for
going
> > with a router as opposed to a PCI modem?  Is the connection quality any
> > better or is the advantage merely one of network connection capability?

> > Cheers,

> > Mark

> A USB/PCI modem is a very insecure way to connect your PC to the internet
> 24/7, even if you're using a software firewall it is still running on top
of
> the operating system and inherently insecure.

> A router even without a firewall uses NAT which blocks all unsolicited
> incoming traffic unless you've specifically opened a port for a server or
> whatever, so your PC/network is far more secure from unsolicited external
> connections.

> But, if you're not to paranoid about security and only have one PC to
> connect there probably isn't much justification for the extra cost of a
> router over a PCI modem.

Alex Camero

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Alex Camero » Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:25:08

You're probably right Dan, but there is defiantly the possibility there for
malicious attacks and a router defiantly cuts down the chances. Personally
there's nothing on my computer worth accessing but my mums work PC sometimes
has sensitive stuff on it. Honestly though I enjoy setting up and messing
about with***like that but it probably isn't really all that necessary.


> Ive used adsl for a yr and a half now... no firewall, no virus checker and
> not a single attack/problem whatsoever. I think ppl overplay the threat to
> dsl users. Having worked for an isp ive seen the level of attacks on
> different conn configurations, and i think a firewall is unnessesary
> ..except for the paranoid :)
>  dan






> > > > I agree, a router has a lot of advantages. There is a lot of good
> stuff
> > at
> > > > www.adslguide.org.uk (I think that's what he meant below). I use a
> > Netgear
> > > > DG814 which has just come down to about 117.00 from www.dabs.com.

> > > > Oh and take a look at www.plus.net as an ISP steer clear of the big
> boys
> > > at
> > > > the moment they'll rip you off sooner or later, I'm sure.

> > > They look very reasonably priced.  What good reason would I have for
> going
> > > with a router as opposed to a PCI modem?  Is the connection quality
any
> > > better or is the advantage merely one of network connection
capability?

> > > Cheers,

> > > Mark

> > A USB/PCI modem is a very insecure way to connect your PC to the
internet
> > 24/7, even if you're using a software firewall it is still running on
top
> of
> > the operating system and inherently insecure.

> > A router even without a firewall uses NAT which blocks all unsolicited
> > incoming traffic unless you've specifically opened a port for a server
or
> > whatever, so your PC/network is far more secure from unsolicited
external
> > connections.

> > But, if you're not to paranoid about security and only have one PC to
> > connect there probably isn't much justification for the extra cost of a
> > router over a PCI modem.

Mar

ADSL for a simracer (UK based) - tips please?

by Mar » Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:12:41


> I've been using a BT openworld with a USB modem for 2 1/2 years without any
> big problems. It is in essence a software modem, it does hit framerates
> especially with VIA chipsets, I had a 15% drop in 3D Mark with it plugged
> in. But it is perfectly good for online racing, I've done many long N4/2002
> and full GPL GPs without problems.
> http://www.dsl-warehouse.co.uk/acatalog/ST510v4.html

Thanks, Alex.

D'you happen to know if the internal modems are software modems, too?
I would hate to have framerates impacted...  SiS chpiset, FWIW, on a
K7S5A mobo.

Regards,

Mark


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