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redTe

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by redTe » Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:24:06

Jan gave his opinion that he would rather spend a fortune on a computer game rather than
spending a fortune actually driving an F1 car.

I disagree.

What points were missed ? Apart from you not reading the post properly ? People like you
always vaguely refer to others not "getting it"or"missing the point", when in truth,  you
can't exactly explain why you are obsessive and humourless about your hobby.

Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:01:15


> What points were missed ? Apart from you not reading the post properly
? People like you
> always vaguely refer to others not "getting it"or"missing the point",
when in truth,  you
> can't exactly explain why you are obsessive and humourless about your

hobby.

To be honest I thought you had missed Jan's point completely - until I
reread it. Shows how journalists can twist things.

Jan said:
" There's a
guy in Sweden who owns a couple F1 cars and let's people drive them at
about
$1200 a pop. Getting there, accomodation and back would cost about a 3rd
of
that again. I've seriously considered doing this, so why wouldn't I buy
WRL
provided the demo convinces me it's good?"

Therefore, if he is prepared to pay $1600 to drive an F1 car then why
wouldn't he be prepared to spend $100 on a sim. Both are enthusiast
"extravagences"

Seemed a clear point to me.

Of course I chose to ignore the line
"10 laps (or whatever it is) in an
F1 car or a 100laps+ a week for as long as I see fit? Easy choice."

So there is one less apex for me to miss.

I guess the point "people like us" think you are missing throughout
these threads is that a sim could be different from the standard
products that fill the shelves of EB, because the target audience and
business model is different. In the past to create major enhances in
terms of graphics, sound, gameplay and "feel" required less man hours as
sim development was in its infancy. Now it has matured to make a
significant improvement takes a lot more time, which publishers cannot
afford within their business model. So we see small improvements beng
regularly shipped. To get to the next generation sim may require a
different approach.

Therefore, we firmly believe the $100 sim will not be just like another
EA update.

Tony

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:01:28

Hold on... this is starting to paint an unjust picture of Tony's driving!
;-)

You didn't just disagree and bring forward your argument for driving the F1
car instead of the game. You passed judgement on the concept.

WHOOOOOOSH... there goes another one. You can't explain why it's abnormal to
be as serious about it as "we" are either. <g>

Actually, I have given this some thought. My league, the GPVL, used have a
philosophy major competing in it (who happened to live nearby) and he did
ask me some very probing questions with regard to my/our attitude and
motivation, albeit a lot more eloquently. The only resolve I was able to
come to was that I really enjoy (online) simracing and I want to keep doing
it. This implies I must have a mechanism to deal with disappointment and
frustration, which might otherwise cause me to abandon this pursuit. I do
this by being a serious "student of the game", constantly analyzing,
learning and preparing myself to do better. I set myself goals other than
the outcome of the races and therefore am usually able to rise above most
things that happen in online races; able to take away something positive or
at least constructive from every race, regardless of what transpired.

It seems to work as I'm still here doing my stuff after 8 years and I see no
immediate reason to quit either. I've seen a lot of more casual contenders
(some much more talented than I am) fall by the wayside.

On another note... if $2000 is a lot of money to spend on a hobby to you,
then that's your prerogative. It does mean, however, you're out of the
high-end racing simulation market, IMO.

Jan.
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redTe

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by redTe » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:04:13

lol..I was asking YOU to explain , not duck the issue.

I guess the PC is my hobby of  the moment, and I wouldn't be adverse in spending that sort
of dosh upgrading or buying new gear, including peripherals like wheels and pedals etc,
but I'm damn sure I could not justify spending that on software.
Hi-Fi is my main hobby. And I've spent loads more on that than I ever will on a PC, but
I'll never spend 2000 on one single album or CD.
So if that takes me out of the serious sim racers bracket, so be it. I know I won't be
alone.

Nigel Nichol

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by Nigel Nichol » Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:51:42

.

Pablo Montoya enjoys Sim racing for entertainment.  When he gets real he
drive a real Williams. He enjoys that too.

Nigel

Asbj?rn Bj?rnst

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by Asbj?rn Bj?rnst » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:37:40


> "redTed" wrote...
> > <snip>
> > You would seriously play a game that simulates(lol)
> > driving an F1 car than actually driving an F1 car ?
> > That doesn't stike you as sad ?

> I already do... why is this hobby any more sad than any other? -Why, e.g.,
> is golf any cooler?

Because it is expensive.

Bah.

But it is expensive (for what you get) so it is cooler.

I'm only partially joking here. Being able to spend a lot of money on
something that is just an hobby is just one way of getting ahead in
the ol' procreation game. Why else would people buy ferraris only to
drive them on the street when they can go racing in a go-kart for a
fraction of the price?
--
  -asbjxrn

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:48:23

Judging by the initial reports on WRL, it won't be more expensive for much
longer! ;-)

LOL.

Point taken... although I can see the appeal of being able to completely
obliterate those posers in BMW Z3's. ;-)

Jan.
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:15:34



>And why would I pay 100's of pounds for something that, if it ever appears,
>will most
>likely be "JUST ANOTHER COMPUTER GAME"  ? I'll pay 34.99....max. And only
>if it's any
>good. As it stands, from what I've seen on the West's fantasy page, I will
>not be able to
>afford it.. Can you understand this ?  Or is your life so sad that you can
>afford
>extravagancies like this ?

Actually, I'd think that being able to spend $100's on a computer game means
you're doing SOMETHING right.  I sure in hell couldn't afford it...

Eldred
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