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OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

Gaul

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by Gaul » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:04:41

After seeing pictures of the unveiling of the Toyota F1 car (mostly red with
some white), I was wondering what the assigned colors for Japan used to be.
Was it some red and white scheme, or was it something else entirely?  What
with Jaguar in green, Williams-BMW with some white (ok... a little), and
Ferrari in red of course, I was wondering if Japan was following any kind of
national paint scheme.  Yes, I realize that the flag is red and white, but
national colors weren't assigned on that basis in the past.  Not that
they're assigned at all today, but you know what I mean.

thanks

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Tony Whitle

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by Tony Whitle » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:20:21


I'd always assumed that Japan's colour was white, as with the 1967 Honda F1
cars. I don't think that painting the car in national colours was official
anyway, just a custom.

--
Tony Whitley
GPLRank +8.59
"On some laps I'd get as many as fif*** corners really right, but Moss, he
gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand
Prix.

Jeff Vince

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by Jeff Vince » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:40:05

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:04:41 -0500, "Gault"


>After seeing pictures of the unveiling of the Toyota F1 car (mostly red with
>some white), I was wondering what the assigned colors for Japan used to be.
>Was it some red and white scheme, or was it something else entirely?  What
>with Jaguar in green, Williams-BMW with some white (ok... a little), and
>Ferrari in red of course, I was wondering if Japan was following any kind of
>national paint scheme.  Yes, I realize that the flag is red and white, but
>national colors weren't assigned on that basis in the past.  Not that
>they're assigned at all today, but you know what I mean.

   I'm pretty sure it's just white (perhaps with a red meatball).  Way
back when I was a wee lad, I had a Hot Wheels catalog that listed the
different colors for each country (dating myself a bit, eh?).  From
memory:

Italy - red
Germany - silver
England - dark green
Japan - white
U.S. - dark blue
France - light blue

   Anyone else remember these (or know of an available listing)?

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Arto Wik

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by Arto Wik » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:49:19

I think Finland had black. But I am not sure if there were any Finns
there in those golden days before the advertisers, commercialism and
businessmen came in?

Arto

Chris Wes

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by Chris Wes » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 09:24:24

Germany use to be White, it was due to a weight problem one year they
removed all the paint, and the colour stuck :O)


Gaul

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by Gaul » Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:32:41


> On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:04:41 -0500, "Gault"

> >After seeing pictures of the unveiling of the Toyota F1 car (mostly red
with
> >some white), I was wondering what the assigned colors for Japan used to
be.
> >Was it some red and white scheme, or was it something else entirely?
What
> >with Jaguar in green, Williams-BMW with some white (ok... a little), and
> >Ferrari in red of course, I was wondering if Japan was following any kind
of
> >national paint scheme.  Yes, I realize that the flag is red and white,
but
> >national colors weren't assigned on that basis in the past.  Not that
> >they're assigned at all today, but you know what I mean.

>    I'm pretty sure it's just white (perhaps with a red meatball).  Way
> back when I was a wee lad, I had a Hot Wheels catalog that listed the
> different colors for each country (dating myself a bit, eh?).  From
> memory:

> Italy - red
> Germany - silver
> England - dark green
> Japan - white
> U.S. - dark blue
> France - light blue

>    Anyone else remember these (or know of an available listing)?

Thanks.  I've been looking through FIA rules and other places with no luck
(not surprising I guess since national colors aren't followed anymore).  I
did stumble across this site at http://www.atlasf1.com/2000/feb09/faq.html
which had this to say:

"I asked our expert, Don Capps, about this one. He says that as far as
national racing colours go, they had a similar story to car numbers - it was
at the discretion of individual race organisers as to what they were and how
strict they were to be adhered to.

Italy, for example, wanted to be blue, its national sporting colour (it
should be noted that the colours of the Italian flag, green, white & red
were not chosen by Italians, but by a Frenchman, Napolean Boneparte). France
had taken blue already though and weren't giving it up. So they took red as
a second choice, despite the fact the red had already been used by the
United States. White was Germany's colour, although Japan would adopt it
later. Germany was later to adopt the silver look but that was coincidence
as the Mercedes and Auto Unions weren't painted to save weight.

British cars have always tended to be green. Rob Walker once had some fast
explaining to do at a German Grand Prix why his dark blue Coopers weren't
green. The explanation he barely got away with was the dark blue represented
Scotland. Orange was used by Bruce McLaren for his cars because he liked the
colour, not because it was New Zealand's (which would surely be all black?).
The first Brabhams were a powder blue before later adopting Australia's
national sporting colours of Green and Gold. Lotus were putting yellow
stripes on their green cars further confusing the issue. Canada had an
interesting scheme featuring red, white and black.

But there were never any real hard and fast rules about national colours, at
least not consistent ones. "

So there's one explanation.  I never knew that the US had used red- other
stories that I saw had the US in either white or blue or some mixture of the
two.

Tapani Kaijanm?k

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by Tapani Kaijanm?k » Mon, 26 Mar 2001 04:25:46



Of course there were some skilled Finns near breaktrough: Karl Ebb, Ramsay,
SPJ Kein?nen, his son Esko, Curt Lincoln, etc. Too much business, too much
driving for fun, too short of money, too many sports to go. Local and
Scandinavian success. And one decent team, Scuderia Askolin, with some good
races with Ferraris... until owner realised he must put all the money to
save his ''decent'' business. I believe that was hard decision to make.

Finnish colours are white body, blue chassis, blue numbers, and blue cross
on bonnet.
Japanese colors are red ball (or sun) on white.

cheers,

Tapani

Gaul

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by Gaul » Mon, 26 Mar 2001 05:40:06




> > Jeff Vincent writes:
> > >Italy - red
> > >Germany - silver
> > >England - dark green
> > >Japan - white
> > >U.S. - dark blue
> > >France - light blue
> > >   Anyone else remember these (or know of an available listing)?
> > I think Finland had black. But I am not sure if there were any Finns
> > there in those golden days before the advertisers, commercialism and
> > businessmen came in?
> > Arto

> Of course there were some skilled Finns near breaktrough: Karl Ebb,
Ramsay,
> SPJ Kein?nen, his son Esko, Curt Lincoln, etc. Too much business, too much
> driving for fun, too short of money, too many sports to go. Local and
> Scandinavian success. And one decent team, Scuderia Askolin, with some
good
> races with Ferraris... until owner realised he must put all the money to
> save his ''decent'' business. I believe that was hard decision to make.

> Finnish colours are white body, blue chassis, blue numbers, and blue cross
> on bonnet.
> Japanese colors are red ball (or sun) on white.

Do you have some source for this? I'm looking for some kind of documentation
that lists all the countries and their colors.  I know I've seen one before
somewhere that included countries which you wouldn't expect to see listed
(Poland, Egypt, and Estonia I think were listed which surprised me).  And
I'm not sure about that "red ball" for Japan- sure, its a national symbol
but I don't think it was strictly part of their national colors for racing.
Dave Henri

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by Dave Henri » Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:44:41

  Rent Grand Prix.  thats about all the documentation I can
provide..
dave henrie
"> > > Jeff Vincent writes:
Gaul

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by Gaul » Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:17:54


Seen it.  Not a lot of help.

Tapani Kaijanm?k

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by Tapani Kaijanm?k » Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:11:01


Hi,
This is what I wanted to save on my hd on purpose to make some paint schemes
for GPL.
I just can't recall what the original URL was or does it even exist anymore.
But this is my source.

Tapani

-quote-
This is Appendix I, English pages, VERBATIM
Appendix "I" to the International Sporting Code 1978
Distinctive national colours assigned to vehicles taking part in
international competitions

(Headings)
Country code
Country
Colours of vehicle
Colours of  numbers

A
Austria
Body & Bonnet:  Blue
Black on White background

B
Belgium
Yellow
Black

BR
Brazil
Body & Bonnet:   Pale Yellow
Chassis & Wheels:   Green
Black

C
Cuba
Body:   Yellow
Bonnet:   Black
Black on white background

CDN
Canada
Body & Bonnet:  Red  Wide lengthwise white stripe from front to rear
Black on white background

CH
Switzerland
Bonnet:   white
Body & underframe   red
Black

CS
Czechoslovakia
Bonnet:   Blue & white
Body: white
Underframe:   red
Blue

D
German Federal Republic
Silver-grey
Red

DK
Denmark
Body & Bonnet :  Silver-grey  National flag as a  lengthwise stripe on
bonnet
Red on white background

E
Spain
Bonnet:   Yellow
Body, chassis & springs: Red
Black on yellow background   White on red background

ET
Egypt
Pale Violet
Red on white background

F
France
Blue
White

GB
Great Britain
Green
White

GR
Greece
Very pale blue  Two white lengthwise strips on bonnet
Black on white background

H
Hungary
Bonnet:  Red
Body, front:  White  Rear:  Green
Black

HKJ
Jordan
Body & bonnet:  Brown
Black on white background

I
Italy
Red
White

IRL
Ireland
Green  (Horizontal band of orange all round bonnet & body)
White

J
Japan
Body & bonnet:  Ivory white with red disk on the bonnet
White on black background

L
Luxembourg
Body & bonnet: white  Tricolour lengthwise stripe (red-white-blue) from
front to rear
Black on white background

MC
Monaco
White  (red horizontal band round the body & bonnet)
Black on white background

MEX
Mexico
Body & bonnet:  Gold  Blue cross stripe on bonnet
Black on white background

NL
Netherlands
Orange
White

P
Portugal
Body & bonnet:  Red
Underframe:  White
White

PL
Poland
Body & bonnet: White
Underframe: Red
Red

RA
Argentina
Body:  Blue
Bonnet: Yellow
Chassis:  Black
Red on white background

RCH
Chile
Bonnet:  Blue
Body:  Red
Underframe:  White
Numbers: Half blue and half red, or all red, on a white background

S
Sweden
Body & bonnet:  lower part blue, upper part yellow  (three cross bands
of blue on the top of the bonnet)
White

SF
Finland
Body:  White
Bonnet:  White with two blue stripes shaping a Latin cross
Black on white background

T
Thailand
Body & bonnet:  Pale blue with yellow horizontal band round body & bonnet
Wheels:  Pale Yellow
White on blue background

U
Uruguay
Body & bonnet:  Pale blue with large red band around the lower part of
the bonnet
White on black background

USA
United States of America
Body & bonnet:  White  Underframe:  Blue
Blue on white background

ZA
South Africa
Body: Gold
Bonnet:  Green
Black on yellow background

NB: The use of distinctive colours of nationality is compulsory when
the supplementary regulations of the competition require it.
These colours are determined by the nationality of the competitor.

Gaul

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by Gaul » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:44:14

Thanks a lot- that looks much like the list I remember seeing.
Woodie

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by Woodie » Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:29:35



>GR
>Greece
>Very pale blue  Two white lengthwise strips on bonnet
>Black on white background

Sounds like Jo Siffert's Cooper.

Don McCorkle

A Thoma

OT - What were the historical colors for Japanese race cars?

by A Thoma » Sat, 14 Apr 2001 05:07:56


Didn't you know that Coca-Cola bought Japan a few weeks ago . Due to the
state of the Japanese economy these days they managed to buy it at a healthy
discount hence the colour scheme. See the Motley Fool archive for details.

Andrew


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