rec.autos.simulators

by **Crow** » Wed, 05 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>> We are not touching the physics very much at all. So, what you are
>> used to driving in NASCAR 1 will pretty much be what you'll drive in
>> NASCAR 2. Some people are not going to like this but we felt it was the
>> tradeoff we had to make to get a lot of this other stuff into the game.
>PLLLEEAAASSSEEEEEE tell us you are using the HAWAII physics, not the buggy
>physics of NASCAR 1 that had such discrepancy between pedals and buttons.

Well, why don't they compromise, and offer like MOST flight sims offer

An "Arcade" Set of physics, AND the new "Physics" (Hawaii or whatever)

There is no law against that!

Keeps everyone happy..

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by **Banfi Fol** » Wed, 05 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Guess why... Because NASCAR wants to start its online league as soon as
possible.

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by **Robert L Ryde** » Wed, 05 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> A few corrections to the AI mannerisms would be nice. Most were mentioned in
> replies to your message. I do have an additonlal one however.

> When going down the straightaways neck and neck with an AI car, the AI car
> refuses to give up the preferred line to take an outside line around the turn.
> It commences to drive into the side of my car at the turn entry point. It
> appears that you need to be leading the AI car by at least 1/4 of a car length
> entering the turn, before he gives up the line. This really needs to be
> changed.

> --- Frank ---

Actually, it sometimes goes the other way: On some tracks, all I have to do
is head for the inside line and the AI driver will see that I am faster and
actually swerve to the outside and slow to let me pass. Of course I've also
been run off the track as you mention, but sometimes they play chicken too.
Like when exiting turns and he tries to squeeze me to the outside wall as we
both try to setup for the next turn, or he sees how close he can get before
he chickens out and jerks to the side. I've seen some very eratic behavior
entering and exiting pits too.

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by **Brent Husch** » Wed, 05 Jun 1996 04:00:00

How about PaintKit and pcx cars? Will we be able to use custom cars and
carsets from the original NASCAR game with the new game? Will PaintKit for
NASCAR Racing be improved?

Visit Spyder's NASCAR Racing page at
http://home.gvi.net/~spyder/nascar.html

by **Chuck Stuar** » Wed, 05 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Are there any new setup options, i.e. springs, engine mods?

Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA

by **Scal** » Thu, 06 Jun 1996 04:00:00

I'm glad that everyone with a 486 will be able to enjoy Nascar2. That was a
real concern of mine (or of my friends, actually). Since my computer is a 486
upgraded to a Pentium 83, hopefully, you can understand why I was concerned.

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by **Eldred Picke** » Thu, 06 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: NASCAR Racing 2 Answers
>Date: 31 May 1996 18:12:26 GMT

>: What we are not doing
>: We are not touching the physics very much at all. So, what you are
>: used to driving in NASCAR 1 will pretty much be what you'll drive in
>: NASCAR 2. Some people are not going to like this but we felt it was the
>: tradeoff we had to make to get a lot of this other stuff into the game.
>: That's all I can think of for the moment. If you guys have any other
>: questions, please feel free to ask.
>I want to race, not see cars flipping through the air. So if this is
>what is meant by changes to the physics model, fine with me. However, I
>REALLY want to see the AI guys suffer tire wear. Especially at the
>tracks that "eat tars". It is too frustrating to get a good setup,
>drive the perfect race only to have the AI guys go just as fast on the
>last 10 laps as they did on the first.

I want to see the AI guys suffer ANYTHING. Tire wear, car damage, full tanks,
WHATEVER...
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I am NOT paranoid. And why are you always watching me?!?

by **Eldred Picke** » Thu, 06 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: NASCAR Racing 2 Answers
>Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 04:15:46 GMT

>> Good stuff on NASCAR 2 snipped

> >That's all I can think of for the moment. If you guys have any other
> >questions, please feel free to ask.

> >Adam
> >Papyrus

>A few corrections to the AI mannerisms would be nice. Most were mentioned in
>replies to your message. I do have an additonlal one however.
>When going down the straightaways neck and neck with an AI car, the AI car
>refuses to give up the preferred line to take an outside line around the turn.
>It commences to drive into the side of my car at the turn entry point. It
>appears that you need to be leading the AI car by at least 1/4 of a car length
>entering the turn, before he gives up the line. This really needs to be
>changed.
>--- Frank ---

That just gives you good practice for Hawaii<BWG>

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by **Kitanth** » Thu, 06 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Would it be possible to have the game detect when you enter the pits
above the speed limit becaause you are cuaght up in a wreck? I don't mean
swerving to avoid a wreck (Which would be a cheat-fest). For example, one
time I was clipped by a car sliding down the banking at Taladega and
found myself sliding backwards into the pits at around 100mph. I was then
assessed the speeding penalty when the green came back out.

-Kitantho

by **David Spark** » Thu, 06 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>> The pits will still be curved. They didn't have time to rewrite the
>track
>> tools.

>Didn't have the time?? What is the big rush with Nascar 2? I want to
>see it as bad as everyone else, however I'd like to see some major
>improvements (I know they are doing quite a bit) but why rush it? I'd
>rather have it as close to perfect as possible than have a IC2 repeat.

It boils down to economics. The holiday season represents something like
35-40% of a typical game company's gross revenue. If you don't have a new
title for Q4, you go hungry. We can all argue about how unfair that is, or
how Papyrus should rewrite the physics and do all new tracks, but the
reality is that if they can't pay the bills, there won't be a new release
of anything.

Dave "davids" Sparks
Sequoia Motorsports

by **David Spark** » Thu, 06 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>>PLLLEEAAASSSEEEEEE tell us you are using the HAWAII physics, not the buggy
>>physics of NASCAR 1 that had such discrepancy between pedals and buttons.

>Well, why don't they compromise, and offer like MOST flight sims offer

>An "Arcade" Set of physics, AND the new "Physics" (Hawaii or whatever)

No, the difference between NASCAR and MULTI is they fixed a bug in the
physics model. Believe me, you want the fixed version, it is a huge
improvement over the buggy version and it doesn't take that long to fix
your setups.

Dave "davids" Sparks
Sequoia Motorsports

by **John Simmo** » Fri, 07 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>>Hi All,
>> I thought I would post a message with some of the new features for
>>NASCAR 2, so, here goes...

>How about PaintKit and pcx cars? Will we be able to use custom cars and
>carsets from the original NASCAR game with the new game? Will PaintKit for
>NASCAR Racing be improved?

From what I understand, the concept of a "carset" will go away, being replaced
by somethingresembling an index/database of cars. Of course, this
interpretation might be completely wrong.

As far as the PaintKit is concerned, the palette will be "improved" (whatever
that means)... More colors? They have also said that you won't be able to
paint the decklids, but front fender painting will be available.

Of course, all we can do is wait and see what's really gonna happen.

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by **David Marti** » Fri, 07 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> >Adam told me that they are working to make the program work well with
> >Pentiums and video cards compatible with Pentiums. Performance would
> I'm glad that everyone with a 486 will be able to enjoy Nascar2. That was a
> real concern of mine (or of my friends, actually). Since my computer is a 486
> upgraded to a Pentium 83, hopefully, you can understand why I was concerned.

Yeah, I understand. But read between the lines. What they are saying
is that they are not going to incorporate the ICR2 engine into NCR2.
ICR2 takes advantage of VLB 2.0 standards. NCR1 does not. NCR2 will
not. That means that they aren't actively supporting 486 technology.
NCR3 will be impossible on 486s and won't be all that great for
Pentiums. See where this is going. :-)

David Martin

by **Chris Drak** » Fri, 07 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> > >Adam told me that they are working to make the program work well with
> > >Pentiums and video cards compatible with Pentiums. Performance would
> > I'm glad that everyone with a 486 will be able to enjoy Nascar2. That was a
> > real concern of mine (or of my friends, actually). Since my computer is a 486
> > upgraded to a Pentium 83, hopefully, you can understand why I was concerned.

> Yeah, I understand. But read between the lines. What they are saying
> is that they are not going to incorporate the ICR2 engine into NCR2.
> ICR2 takes advantage of VLB 2.0 standards. NCR1 does not. NCR2 will
> not. That means that they aren't actively supporting 486 technology.
> NCR3 will be impossible on 486s and won't be all that great for
> Pentiums. See where this is going. :-)

> David Martin

I don't believe this is correct. The following is quoted from Adam Levesque in a
posting dated 5/30/96 :

It sounds to me like NASCAR 2 will indeed include the advances in ICR2.

Chris Drake

by **AdLevesq** » Sat, 08 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Hi David,
Uhmm...where did you get the idea that we were not using the same
engine as ICR2 for NASCAR 2? We are. And we are taking advantage of the
VLB standards. I don't know where you got the other information.

Adam
Papyrus