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by **T0NT** » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Ive been thinking about this for a while. I love racing but never been
close to the times as hotlappers in almost all racing sims. I always
wondered how this guys do in races, 100% length races. These hotlappers
crashed 1000's of times on the track before setting the magical time.
Usually to set those times they are right on the limit, so one mistake its
over, can these guys do it for 50 or whatever amount of laps. What about
tires and fuel. They usually kill the tires when they are setting the
times.

So hotlappers good racers???

ps love to hear what hotlappers have to say....

by **bph..** » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

G. Huttu is arguably the best of the hotlappers and the best racer.

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by **Ian** » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

How do you know they crash 1000's of times ?
I expect them to crash very little, they are at the peak of their chosen sim
and have invested many thousands of hours in it. Sure they will make the odd
mistake, but a mistake by them means going slightly offline where as a
mistake for others is putting it in the wall :)

I've raced with a lot of the "hotlappers" they are very fast and very
consistent in races, they can drive consistently at around 95% of their best
times and still be faster than us mere mortals who are trying 110% just to
keep them in sight, it's then us who spin and become inconsistent because
we're pushing way too hard ;)

--
Ian P

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by **GraDe** » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

The "general" answer is that hotlapper usually to not make good racer, alot
of them admit it themselves....
However, while competing in an MGRPRS2 league I found out that they do not
infact make the beast racers but many of them can. The difference is that
the setups and driving style used for 1 lap must be altered to lap a race
distance thus slowing them down to a somewhat "human" level in a race. Many
have now found a god balance but you'll still find hotlappers who are
hopeless at completing a race.

by **Michael Sisso** » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

The two beast typos I have seen in awhile.... god one! :)

MRSisson

by **Kieran Larki** » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I am not good at hot lapping but ok at driving Cause there are tactics
envolved. There is no overtaking, in hotlapping and no need for consistency.
Although it is a very hard art to master and I respect the people who are
good at it.

--
Kieran

by **Harjan Bran** » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I'm always ashamed when I see the hotlap times, I still hope a lot of the
difference is in the fact that I don't like messing around with the setup
too much. Once I've found a comfortable setup with enables me to race the
AI, I'm satisfied.
I know there's nothing like a magical setup but there really is a lot of
time in the setup. With a default setup I drive a a high 28/low 29, with a
setup from GRE a low 27 at Monza. The difference is even bigger at twistier
tracks. I hadn't played GPL for a while and had a racing meeting last
Saturday. Without much practise I drove a 20.5 at Kyalami, I know it's not a
very quick time but considering I hadn't driven for about three months it
was quite good. All because of the fact that I used a GRE setup.
One last example I remember having a league race at Monaco. The entire week
in the build up to the race I had been quite far of the pace (in comparison
to Tim Wheatley). Then I decided on using Tims setup and I chopped 3 secs of
my time within three laps. The biggest difference was in the gearing.

One thing I don't like about hotlappers is when they use strange driving
techniques. In GPL you see a lot of hotlappers downshifting till their
clipping point and then quickly up to a high gear in order to get the power
down. In a real racing car that's just not possible.
Hotlappers compete against the game and search for weaknesses in the physics
engine, I believe.

by **Tony Rickar** » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I blame the internet Harjan!

Back when you were just a mere boy - before I had access to the 'net - I won
the F1GP championship at the hardest level. The result was to be informed
what a great driver I was - the RAS veterans will know what I am on about.

At that point I was blissfully of the view I was pretty darn good at F1GP.

I moved on (ICR) and later got internet access. To my dismay I found all
these utilities to make F1GP more realistic because it was too easy for the
quick drivers. Then I found a hotlaps page and my jaw hit the desk!

I listed at the top of a hotlap page days for Brazil after GP3 came out. A
few days later after the quick drivers got up to speed 3 seconds were ripped
off my time - I never improved ;-(

After that experience I accepted the fact there were much quicker sim racers
than me. That didn't stop me revisiting GPL every now & then trying some
radical (unrealistic) settings in the vain hope I would find some magic
setting to launch me up closer to the quick guys. I felt ashamed each time
as if I was trying to cheat the software to counter my inability to run at
hotlap speeds.

Maybe when I get GP3 I should snip my phone wire :-)

Tony

"Harjan Brand"

by **Tony Rickar** » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Er I meant GP2 - dreaming again

Tony

by **GraDe** » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> > The "general" answer is that hotlapper usually to not make good racer,
> alot
> > of them admit it themselves....
> > However, while competing in an MGRPRS2 league I found out that they do
not
> > infact make the beast racers but many of them can. The difference is
that
> > the setups and driving style used for 1 lap must be altered to lap a
race
> > distance thus slowing them down to a somewhat "human" level in a race.
> Many
> > have now found a god balance but you'll still find hotlappers who are
> > hopeless at completing a race.

> The two beast typos I have seen in awhile.... god one! :)

Damn it, another one slips through the watchful eye of Outlook
Spell-Checker:-)

by **Peter Ive** » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

writes

I personally find hotlapping of great benefit. It really does show you
the limits of what is possible at each track. And once I've found new
limits then I can transfer that over to consistent racing as well.

As an example, I used to be able to drive with a stable setup at
Kyalami regular 1:20.5 to 1:20.9 when racing and at a stretch could hit
the low 1:20s when really pushing. With my hotlap setup I can do low
1:19s and although to go consistently with this setup I have to drop
down to the very high 1:19s and maybe the odd 1:20 it is still way
better than even when pushing with my old consistent setup. Also I know
that, if needed, I've always got that extra few 10ths there if I want to
go for it.

All that hotlapping has ever done for me is to show me that I can go
quicker and I don't have a problem with that.
--
Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington)

No person's opinions can be said to be
more correct than another's, because each is
the sole judge of his or her own experience.

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