rec.autos.simulators

Watch those spam filters!!!

-Larry

Got mine this morning. Going over to the site shortly and will try it for a
year. Thanks.

Ed

-Larry

Are you familiar with the racing that's modelled so far?  One of the
next updates will be pitstops, but none of the series currently
available have pitstops in real life anyway.

This is true, though I don't know about the Late Model series.  Overall, I'm
enjoying iRacing.  But I do find the Legend car quite at times monotonous on
the ovals.  Fact is, ovals I suppose are fun but they don't compare, IMO, to
road courses.

After getting over a 3.0 rating with the Legend-- and quite quickly, I might
add-- I moved to the Solstice and the road courses.  I'm enjoying myself
much more than I was with the Legends.  The Lowes short track (I guess) with
the Legend is a bit absurd.

Overall I am at the bottom half as far as online racing talent goes.
Running the Solstice at Lime Rock and running it consistently enough to jump
in a race, will take some time and effort.  To race the Legends on the ovals
took me very little time, though I'm not very fast, generally.  Americans,
with cell phones, text messaging, and Reality TV (add a thousand other
things) do not have the patience (IMO) for the road courses, and so jump
right into the ovals.  If something can't be done relatively easily in two
minutes, Americans go to something that can be picked up in an instance,
lile coloring by numbers.  :)

Alan

Are you familiar with the racing that's modelled so far?  One of the
next updates will be pitstops, but none of the series currently
available have pitstops in real life anyway.
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        It looks like some folks here (I presume they are younger) have the
impression that Kraemmer never heard of pit stops and online racing before,
and that this is all new to him, and that he has big problems to implement
this. Why some old folks don't explain to them that *everybody* else had
problems with those things, while Kraemer ruled the world with just that,
online racing and pit stops (IIRC). I wouldn't say that Kraemmer has ANY
problems with that. This is just a timing question, nothing else. Yellow
flags? Kraemmer never heard of this before? -- Mario Petrinovich

Late models, with very few exceptions, do not have pit stops either. I think
you are painting Americans with a pretty broad brush though. I may agree
with you if you are talking about the very young crowd, but the same is true
for most of Europe and the rest of the world. Most of the iRacing folks
demographics seem to lean to a heavily weighted age group of well over
35yrs, and many over 50. The average age in my club, the US Midwest, is
probably well over 40yrs old. For folks in our age group, we remember when
road racing was extremely popular in the US. SCCA and club racing was big in
the 60s and 70s. I am working *** just getting to a poing where I am on
the same lap in the Solstice......:-). The Legends car, while not too hard
to get 'decent', is very tough to get those few extra 10ths to get
competitive. The one thing that both cars have in common is that they are
very much 'momentum' cars.

Ed

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        Lol. I am an European. First F1 race I watched was back in 1970,
when I was 9 years old. I know everything about the past of F1, but F1
became boring in in 80's. Thanks god for satelite tv, which introduced me to
oval racing. I was defending oval racing in this forum few years ago. Nascar
races ar two times longer (american open-wheel races are also longer that
european) than F1. F1 is made for watching money. You don't overtake in
Monte Carlo, you just circle around ***. The point system is such that
anybody who knows two names is the expert for F1. We had seasons in F1 where
one driver won most races, and if you are not in the top team (not few of
them, but only one), you don't have a chance, no matter how good driver you
are. Light drivers win in F1 (if that hasn't changed, I don't watch F1
anymore), where is racing here? You have light driver, in a team that
invests the most money, and you have a winner. In my days, ONLY ONE team
invested *the most* money. So, lets say, this year Renault will invest the
most money, and Renault will win, in a few years Merceds will invest the
most money, and Mercedes will win. But Renault will retire. Why? Because
there is NO POINT in investing *the most* money if you don't win. It is not
good for bussines. So, F1 has rules tailored such that the one who investes
the most money HAS TO WIN. It has qualifying tailored to such a team
(mitliple quaifying laps, even bad, but LIGHT, driver will win this
qulifying, because even he can manage to make one good lap out of 12 or 24
in a good car). So, you always have one man on pole. Then you have
no-overtake situation for whole race, and the one who was on pole, wins. And
everybody on pole won. Except the "best of them all", Senna, who was really
miserable in that, and simply WASN'T ABLE to turn a pole into a win. This is
F1 for you. WHERE is the racing here? F1 is made to be watched by peaple who
doesn't know a shit about racing (it is a rcing sport for masses). All they
*have to* know is two names, and they all are experts. Those masses don't
watch other racing, except F1. So, why they watch F1, then? They DON'T WATCH
RACING, they just like to watch money goes around the ***. This is why
no-overtake "race" is the most popular race in F1. They don't have nerves to
watch it for more than two hours, so F1 race doesn't last more than that.
 -- Mario Petrinovich

Yea, thanks for reminding me why I am not interested in racing a Solstice.

Don't make assumptions about people you don't know. I used to drive Papyrus
sims going  back to their first Indycar and Nascar sims. Always liked their
Indycar sims better so don't understand why they allowed themselves to be
forced to do Nascar almost exclusively.

I was not trolling, my kind friend.  I was just making an observation, which
I think generally is true.  Take a look at all the folks racing the ovals
and then gander at those running the solstice and the road courses.

I was in an iracing chat room the other day, and a guy popped in and said--

"Man, I ran Lime Rock with the Solstice for quite a while and only added a
few ratings' points.  I'm going back to the ovals."

While I am in no way saying that everyone is like this-- taking the easy way
out-- it is generally always been the case, not only for Americans (I can
speak only for Americans, as I am one), but also others in other countries.
I like the Legend car, but running in circles sometimes to me is pointless,
though at times I do it myself.  I always return to the road courses,
however.  They are more challenging, and running a good lap at Lime Rock is
much more satisfying than circling an oval for countless hours.

This is not an observation that is all-inclusive, obviously.  If you don't
think it is generally true, you just might be the kind of person who takes
the easy way out.  :)

Alan

I think iRacing is a nice service, and has been done pretty well.

Alan

I'm assuming you mean the Rookie Legend?  Remember that car has a rev
limiter at 8000, so you're not getting anywhere near the power the car
is capable of.  Try the Adv Legend with decent gearing, imho it's
harder to drive than the Lame Model (and heaps more fun, too).

Ya, we're all dumb.  Good thing Mark Donohue, Dan Gurney, and Mario
Andretti were in their primes before everyone had ADD, wot.