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by **Doug Olse** » Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Sounds like it might be time to dive into your setups...if you're lapping
consistently, and aren't aware of any areas where your line or braking
points are slowing you down, then a few tweaks under the hood might be in
order. Nothing too radical (and make sure you save your CURRENT setup before
mucking about with it), just a click here and there. I found that my time at
Monza dropped - without any change to my driving - just by making the gear
ratios a little more appropriate to the way I was driving the circuit. Make
sure you're almost -- but not quite -- redlining 5th gear on the long
straights. If not, you're not squeezing all the straight-line speed out of
your car, which is important at a fast track like Monza. Also make sure that
you're not lugging the engine in the Lesmos and Parabolica. If the revs are
dropping too much in the slow turns, give G2 (well, that's the one I use for
those turns!) as few clicks to the left (ie 'easier' ratio), and see if it
helps. Of course, that change will also mean that your shift points for G3-5
will have been altered as well, so it might take a bit of fiddling to get
everything just right.

Good luck!

Doug :)

>writes:

>>> >If you get consistant at doing 1:30's at Monza, you will be very able
to
>>> >race online. Monza is a good track to start.

>>> CONSISTENT?!? I have to GET there first! :-)
>>> Eldred

>>Just practice!!!

>>I just raced a personal best this weekend of 1:31.08 at Monza and I can do
>>high 1:31 / low 1:32 relatively consistent (in the Lotus). Yesterday, when
>>searching for something else I found a note with laptimes of a race that I
>>drove about 3 months ago (again Monza in Lotus) By that time, I mainly did
>>1:34s and 1:35s with a fastest lap of 1:33 low.

>>The only difference between now and three months ago is a lot of
practicing.
>>Just sit down and do 25 laps in practice mode. Maybe not as exciting as
>>racing on- or offline, but certainly the best way to learn.

>>Another tip: get GPLdump 6 and compare your laps with the replays provided
>>on the CD on on the internet. You'll see exactly where you lose time.

>>I wish you good luck in getting your laptimes down!

>>Han Monsees

>It's not helping...I've run 57 laps at a time at Watkins, and about 40 laps
at
>Monza, with no decline in lap times. I seem to do almost the same things
every
>lap, with the result that most of my laps are within .5 sec of each other.
If
>I try to push somewhere, I usually end up off the track. It's like an 'all
or
>nothing' situation...there's no in-between(which I assume would lower my
>times).

>Don't get me wrong, it's a great game. I just can't drive it worth a
damn...
>:(

>Eldred

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by **Doug Olse** » Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:00:00

You might also consider moving on to a new track for day or two. I've found
that I've been able to make breakthroughs on some tracks simply by AVOIDING
them for a while -- eg practice like crazy at Monza, hit a lap-time plateau,
switch to Spa (which is a blast, BTW!) or wherever for a few days, then fire
up Monza again. It's weird, but it seems to work more often than not!

Doug :)

by **Ross MacGrego** » Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:00:00

The real problem is this: It isnt a "game" :o) Its the most difficult and
most realistic auotmobile simulation ever to see the light of day.
Cheers
Ross

EldredP a crit dans le message

>writes:

>>> >If you get consistant at doing 1:30's at Monza, you will be very able
to
>>> >race online. Monza is a good track to start.

>>> CONSISTENT?!? I have to GET there first! :-)
>>> Eldred

>>Just practice!!!

>>I just raced a personal best this weekend of 1:31.08 at Monza and I can do
>>high 1:31 / low 1:32 relatively consistent (in the Lotus). Yesterday, when
>>searching for something else I found a note with laptimes of a race that I
>>drove about 3 months ago (again Monza in Lotus) By that time, I mainly did
>>1:34s and 1:35s with a fastest lap of 1:33 low.

>>The only difference between now and three months ago is a lot of
practicing.
>>Just sit down and do 25 laps in practice mode. Maybe not as exciting as
>>racing on- or offline, but certainly the best way to learn.

>>Another tip: get GPLdump 6 and compare your laps with the replays provided
>>on the CD on on the internet. You'll see exactly where you lose time.

>>I wish you good luck in getting your laptimes down!

>>Han Monsees

>It's not helping...I've run 57 laps at a time at Watkins, and about 40 laps
at
>Monza, with no decline in lap times. I seem to do almost the same things
every
>lap, with the result that most of my laps are within .5 sec of each other.
If
>I try to push somewhere, I usually end up off the track. It's like an 'all
or
>nothing' situation...there's no in-between(which I assume would lower my
>times).

>Don't get me wrong, it's a great game. I just can't drive it worth a
damn...
>:(

>Eldred

>__

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>remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

by **Doug Schneide** » Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:00:00

OK, here's my two bits worth, hope I don't bore you to death. Zonkie is probably
yawning already. This is all assuming you're driving the Lotus. 40 laps at Monza is
honestly just the tip of the iceberg. If I had been able to do 1.31s after 40 laps I
would have been overjoyed. After 3 or 4 hundred laps it should start to become
apparent to you where you are losing time. If not, as stated in previous posts,
GPLdump is an invaluable utility, as it will point this out for you. First off, I
wouldn't worry too much about braking at the last possible moment and risking loss of
control on every lap. That's only important when you're trying to shave off the last
few tenths of a second, not when you're trying to get from 1.31 to 1.29. It's risky
and won't gain you nearly as much as simply learning the track and knowing how fast
you can go on any given area. Work on carrying as much speed as you can THROUGH the
turns. Smooth is important, you can duplicate smooth lap after lap, but running on
the ragged edge all the time will bite you in the ass in short order. Speaking from
my own experience, using a calibrated foot on the brake pedal helps a lot. You will
find that you don't need to floor the brakes before every corner, you can maybe put
the pedal halfway down and all of a sudden find out you can drift through a
particular turn at a much higher rate of speed than you would have believed
possible. If you're locking up the wheels braking before every turn you're headed in
the wrong direction, it shouldn't be necessary. Anticipation is key, every turn
leads to another turn or a straight, so concentrate on making the last turn before
that straight a good one so you're *** the gas as soon as you hit the straight,
not fighting the wheel to regain control while you're wasting valuable straight-line
speed. As difficult as it is to believe, very often slowing down well before a turn
allows you to get back on the gas much sooner and carry much more speed through the
turn. Fighting the wheel all the way through a corner because you came in too fast
is counter-productive. As many old racers are prone to say, you have to slow down to
go fast, and it's true. Finally, consistency is key. If you can't duplicate your
times, lap after lap, you simply haven't had enough pracitice. In my experience, at
Monza, in the Lotus, if you can't lap between 1.29 and 1.30 for every single lap of
an entire 21 lap race (except the first one of course), I would be surprised if you
would have any chance of winning. Unless, of course, you saved some practice session
from two months ago when you just got the game and the AI wasn't up to full potential
yet. Hope this was in any way useful. LOL.

Zog

> I think you need to keep pushing the envelope of your abilities.
> Lapping consistently is great but only if your fast too :) If you keep
> pushing the envelope, and stay in dangerous territory, you'll eventually
> learn how to handle it and what was once dangerous or unthinkable for
> you will be the types of things you do routinely.

> > writes:

> > >> >If you get consistant at doing 1:30's at Monza, you will be very able to
> > >> >race online. Monza is a good track to start.

> > >> CONSISTENT?!? I have to GET there first! :-)
> > >> Eldred

> > >Just practice!!!

> > >I just raced a personal best this weekend of 1:31.08 at Monza and I can do
> > >high 1:31 / low 1:32 relatively consistent (in the Lotus). Yesterday, when
> > >searching for something else I found a note with laptimes of a race that I
> > >drove about 3 months ago (again Monza in Lotus) By that time, I mainly did
> > >1:34s and 1:35s with a fastest lap of 1:33 low.

> > >The only difference between now and three months ago is a lot of practicing.
> > >Just sit down and do 25 laps in practice mode. Maybe not as exciting as
> > >racing on- or offline, but certainly the best way to learn.

> > >Another tip: get GPLdump 6 and compare your laps with the replays provided
> > >on the CD on on the internet. You'll see exactly where you lose time.

> > >I wish you good luck in getting your laptimes down!

> > >Han Monsees

> > It's not helping...I've run 57 laps at a time at Watkins, and about 40 laps at
> > Monza, with no decline in lap times. I seem to do almost the same things every
> > lap, with the result that most of my laps are within .5 sec of each other. If
> > I try to push somewhere, I usually end up off the track. It's like an 'all or
> > nothing' situation...there's no in-between(which I assume would lower my
> > times).

> > Don't get me wrong, it's a great game. I just can't drive it worth a damn...
> > :(

> > Eldred

> > __

> > Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea...
> > remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

--
Don't let the bastards grind you down.
Doug Schneider
Bedford, Nova Scotia
Canada

by **Joel Willstei** » Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>And I though I was the only one. I get a consistent 1:31.5 at Monza, but
>have yet to better it. One thing that did improve my times was to download
>Alison Hine's Coventry setup's convert them to Eagle's (but keep the
default
>eagle setup gearing's). I went down about 1.5 to 2 seconds with these
>setups. About the most forgiving I could find for the Eagle. I can't wait
>for her Eagle setups. I'm no expert on setups but Alison's feel quite
>neutral (whick is what I like).

>David Radecki

David,

I use Alison Hines Brabham setups slightly modified for my Lotus with
different gearing. They tamed the beast from being just about undrivable,to
a fairly predictable car.

Tonight I downloaded and tried out Alisons' new setups for the Ferrari.
Treat yourself to the best drive in gpl,and check it out.

Joel Willstein

by **david kar** » Sun, 13 Jun 1999 04:00:00

OOP! Never mind my previous post regarding Alison's web site and the
Ferrari setups--found'em both with the help of her post below.

Thanks all the same,

--david

by **Eldre** » Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>And I though I was the only one. I get a consistent 1:31.5 at Monza, but
>have yet to better it. One thing that did improve my times was to download
>Alison Hine's Coventry setup's convert them to Eagle's (but keep the default
>eagle setup gearing's). I went down about 1.5 to 2 seconds with these
>setups. About the most forgiving I could find for the Eagle. I can't wait
>for her Eagle setups. I'm no expert on setups but Alison's feel quite
>neutral (whick is what I like).

>David Radecki

Thanks, Dave. I'll have to try that...

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