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> HAWAII Drivers:

> Lately an unnamed drivers has accused me of dirty
> driving by blocking him at dega when I was in front
> of him.

> He said was I was a dirty driver because I was in front
> of him drove below the line (NON-SENSE).  I ask the readership
> that I race against at dega have you ever experinced
> me driving dirty.  OK.  I am ready for the good, the
> bad and the Ugly about me.  

> Don Wilshe, IVGA

> > HAWAII Drivers:

> > Lately an unnamed drivers has accused me of dirty
> > driving by blocking him at dega when I was in front
> > of him.

> > He said was I was a dirty driver because I was in front
> > of him drove below the line (NON-SENSE).  I ask the readership
> > that I race against at dega have you ever experinced
> > me driving dirty.  OK.  I am ready for the good, the
> > bad and the Ugly about me.

> > Don Wilshe, IVGA

> Don you can say Paul Carillon is the one I have no problem with it
> because i know the guys i race with no the type of driver i am and
> respect me for it.I never called you a "Dirty" driver all i said was
> nice blocking thats all.If you remember right i did pass you and then
> you returned the favor so no big deal.The problem i had and i guess its
> in the drivers eye what is ment by "racing" but i felt and i wish i had
> the replay to show you are a Liar to show anyone who wants to see it
> that you rode the white line all the way down the backstretch for the
> last 7 or so laps which i feel as someone else stated is Chicken S**T
> racing.The thing about it is i dont need to lead every lap to prove i am
> a good driver or even win but some people just need to do what ever they
> can to win a race.I guess i enjoy racing and trying to slingshot to pass
> someone and get by them rather than ride the line so they wont attempt
> to go under me for fear of causing a wreck and losing those valuable
> "skill points" it might encure.Because like i said i would have went to
> the grass if i had the oppurtunity and if a wreck would have become of
> it then so be it but what i didnt mean was i would intentionaly wrck you
> or anyone which is what the first message was construded to mean oh well
> .

> >Driving below the line is
> > the crazy as its the slowest way around DEGA.  If he
> > couldnt pass me he must be driving a HOUSE!!!

> Don i believe the low line thru the corners is thte fastest way to get
> thru the turns but if exit the turn and stay on the white line so noone
> gets under you then the low line is the fatsest down the backstretch
> also because more than likely if you get help down the backstretch you
> wont be able to complete the pass by the time you get into 3 so the
> inside driver then has the advantage again so either you back out or you
> try to race 2 wide thru the tri-oval which we all know is an accident
> waiting to happen more times then not...But Don i will see you Tally and
> when i bring my Ford which is about a half a mile an hour faster than my
> Chevy we will see how you drive with me on your A** :)

> BTW Don you can use my name when you talk about me i am not ashamed
> about my opinion and am not worried about what someone might think about
> me:  :-) Have good Day!

> Paul Carillon

> > > HAWAII Drivers:

> > > Lately an unnamed drivers has accused me of dirty
> > > driving by blocking him at dega when I was in front
> > > of him.

> > > He said was I was a dirty driver because I was in front
> > > of him drove below the line (NON-SENSE).  I ask the readership
> > > that I race against at dega have you ever experinced
> > > me driving dirty.  OK.  I am ready for the good, the
> > > bad and the Ugly about me.

> > > Don Wilshe, IVGA

> > Don you can say Paul Carillon is the one I have no problem with it
> > because i know the guys i race with no the type of driver i am and
> > respect me for it.I never called you a "Dirty" driver all i said was
> > nice blocking thats all.If you remember right i did pass you and then
> > you returned the favor so no big deal.The problem i had and i guess its
> > in the drivers eye what is ment by "racing" but i felt and i wish i had
> > the replay to show you are a Liar to show anyone who wants to see it
> > that you rode the white line all the way down the backstretch for the
> > last 7 or so laps which i feel as someone else stated is Chicken S**T
> > racing.The thing about it is i dont need to lead every lap to prove i am
> > a good driver or even win but some people just need to do what ever they
> > can to win a race.I guess i enjoy racing and trying to slingshot to pass
> > someone and get by them rather than ride the line so they wont attempt
> > to go under me for fear of causing a wreck and losing those valuable
> > "skill points" it might encure.Because like i said i would have went to
> > the grass if i had the oppurtunity and if a wreck would have become of
> > it then so be it but what i didnt mean was i would intentionaly wrck you
> > or anyone which is what the first message was construded to mean oh well
> > .

> > >Driving below the line is
> > > the crazy as its the slowest way around DEGA.  If he
> > > couldnt pass me he must be driving a HOUSE!!!

> > Don i believe the low line thru the corners is thte fastest way to get
> > thru the turns but if exit the turn and stay on the white line so noone
> > gets under you then the low line is the fatsest down the backstretch
> > also because more than likely if you get help down the backstretch you
> > wont be able to complete the pass by the time you get into 3 so the
> > inside driver then has the advantage again so either you back out or you
> > try to race 2 wide thru the tri-oval which we all know is an accident
> > waiting to happen more times then not...But Don i will see you Tally and
> > when i bring my Ford which is about a half a mile an hour faster than my
> > Chevy we will see how you drive with me on your A** :)

> > BTW Don you can use my name when you talk about me i am not ashamed
> > about my opinion and am not worried about what someone might think about
> > me:  :-) Have good Day!

> > Paul Carillon

> Paul,

> Did you watch the Bush race? I like Mark Martin usualy.... but Im a huge
> Steve Park fan and that PATHETIC display of Blocking really pissed me
> off. I agree with you I don't like blocking. Run the fast line play the
> chess game and see who wins, Making your car "wide" is one thing but
> swerveing all over the place is another. It realy bugs me on hawaii.
> Although two cars working together can pass on the outside there, usualy
> if you insist on riding the line you can stay out front. But most of the
> time one of the guys behind ends up punting the leader and then about 5
> inocent bystanders get taken out. Thats what really sucks see you at the
> Rock I hope!

> Well Brad it was a good busch race I must Admit looked like Fun.I will
> seey a at the Rock it should be fun ..BTW i hate that track :)

> Paul

> If Park was in the lead he would have been instructed by Earnhardt to
> do the same thing.  There's no way anyone is going to sit there and
> let someone get a run on them and draft right by with just a few laps
> to go.  That act of blocking is very reasonable when the race is on
> the line.  Since everyone has to use NASCAR 1 on Hawaii, the blocking
> technique is a little too effective, since due to the trioval the guy
> on the outside has to back off exiting four if he hasn't passed the
> guy in front of him by then.

> Since N2's Talladega allows side-by-side racing all the way around the
> track, I think the NROS will help ease the frustration of someone
> riding the white line on the backstretch to ultimately take advantage
> of a trioval that's too tight.

> If you take the example of the Busch race, Mark did stay near the
> white line exiting turn two a couple of times, but the reason he was
> able to do that right out of the turn was because the 3rd place guy
> could not provide adequate help for Park to draft by Martin.  If there
> were 10 or more drivers all racing for position in the lead draft,
> Mark would have had much more of a problem keeping all of them behind
> him, and he certainly wouldn't have exited so far away from the wall.

> Same thing could've happened if Don, Paul, and the rest were racing
> Talladega on N2.

> On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 18:36:20 -0400, Brad Dawson

> >Paul,

> >Did you watch the Bush race? I like Mark Martin usualy.... but Im a huge
> >Steve Park fan and that PATHETIC display of Blocking really pissed me
> >off. I agree with you I don't like blocking. Run the fast line play the
> >chess game and see who wins, Making your car "wide" is one thing but
> >swerveing all over the place is another. It realy bugs me on hawaii.
> >Although two cars working together can pass on the outside there, usualy
> >if you insist on riding the line you can stay out front. But most of the
> >time one of the guys behind ends up punting the leader and then about 5
> >inocent bystanders get taken out. Thats what really sucks see you at the
> >Rock I hope!

> Kyle Langston
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> Did you watch the Bush race? I like Mark Martin usualy.... but Im a huge
> Steve Park fan and that PATHETIC display of Blocking really pissed me
> off. I agree with you I don't like blocking. Run the fast line play the
> chess game and see who wins, Making your car "wide" is one thing but
> swerveing all over the place is another. It realy bugs me on hawaii.
> Although two cars working together can pass on the outside there, usualy
> if you insist on riding the line you can stay out front. But most of the
> time one of the guys behind ends up punting the leader and then about 5
> inocent bystanders get taken out. Thats what really sucks see you at the
> Rock I hope!

> > Paul,

> > Did you watch the Bush race? I like Mark Martin usualy.... but Im a huge
> > Steve Park fan and that PATHETIC display of Blocking really pissed me
> > off. I agree with you I don't like blocking. Run the fast line play the
> > chess game and see who wins, Making your car "wide" is one thing but
> > swerveing all over the place is another. It realy bugs me on hawaii.
> > Although two cars working together can pass on the outside there, usualy
> > if you insist on riding the line you can stay out front. But most of the
> > time one of the guys behind ends up punting the leader and then about 5
> > inocent bystanders get taken out. Thats what really sucks see you at the
> > Rock I hope!

> But what's he supposed to do Brad, just ride his line and wait for Park
> to get a run and blow past him?  That's what would've happened, because
> Park was getting good runs.

> Mirror driving is a big part of racing at 'Dega and Daytona.  Has been
> for years.  Most of the time, the guy in front wins (like Phil Parsons
> did at 'Dega in '88), sometimes, the guy behind manages to get beside
> the blocking car and go past (like Martin did to Earnhardt two years
> ago at 'Dega).  But of course, sometimes mirror driving results in
> a wreck (Cale and Donnie in the '79 Daytona 500).

> Personally, I prefer Bill Elliott's strategy when it comes to holding
> a lead at Daytona and Talladega, and I employ it when racing online.
> Bill runs his normal line out of the turns, then just as the cars in
> the train fall in behind, he dives to the inside.  If the other cars
> follow (they usually do) he drives back to the outside.  This
> essentially
> breaks up the air, and keeps the cars behind from getting a good run
> on him.  He'll do this both on the backstraight, and in the tri-oval.

> However, I have no problem with a driver blocking to keep the lead in
> the last 10 laps of a race.  I think it's rediculous to do it any other
> time, though.

> Pat
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